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The interviewer arrived twenty-two minutes early and apologised for it twice before Nadia had finished opening the door. She was young enough that the apology seemed less like politeness than terror. Her name was Reem Masri, she worked for a Cairo weekly Nadia had read irregularly for years, and she carried three pens, two notebooks, a small recorder, a folder of clippings and the expression of somebody who had spent the taxi ride memorising every mistake she intended not to make. Nadia liked her immediately, which did not mean she trusted the interview. “Come in before you apologise for standing in the corridor,” Nadia said. Reem smiled, then nearly apologised again.
The sitting room had been rearranged because Michael insisted the armchair near the window gave better light, as though print journalism had suddenly become cinematography. Nadia had ignored him and left the furniture where it was. She brought tea, dates and a plate of small biscuits. Reem watched her set everything down with visible concern, saying she could have helped. Nadia told her the tray was not a test of feminism. That got a real laugh and loosened something in the room. The profile had been proposed as part of the weekly’s series on women whose public lives had crossed several different social worlds. Nadia had agreed because the editor, whom she knew slightly, promised the piece would not be another general introduction to her peace work. There had been enough of those. She did not mind explaining herself, but she was weary of answering the same questions about interfaith organising as though every interview began in 1985 and nobody had read anything since. Reem’s letter had been better. She wanted to write about the way Nadia’s private history had become part of her public reputation: teenage marriage, motherhood at fifteen, a long interfaith marriage, two children raised in different religious traditions, the body confidence for which younger women had begun to cite her, and the tension between a life lived messily and a life later retold as example.
Nadia had underlined that last phrase. It suggested Reem already understood the problem. For the first half hour, she did. Her questions were prepared but not embalmed. She asked about Al-Qalifa without treating village life as quaint. She asked what Cairo had felt like in 1975 when Nadia arrived with Michael and Karim, and listened when Nadia said the city had first seemed less glamorous than enormous. She asked what Nadia’s earliest community work had actually looked like, and Nadia described cramped living rooms, bad chairs, tea, arguments over wording, children interrupting discussions, women who arrived late because buses failed, and the minor practical labour that never appeared in retrospective accounts of movements. Reem took notes rapidly. Once, her pen stopped working and she looked personally betrayed. Nadia handed her another from the side table. It was when they reached Nadia’s adolescence that the word appeared. “Inspirational,” Reem said, not carelessly. “I think what people find so inspirational is that you married so young, became a mother at fifteen, and still built—”
Nadia did not interrupt. The sentence was harmless enough. Reem went on to ask how Nadia had found the determination to continue studying after Karim’s birth. Nadia answered. She spoke about reading when he slept, about abandoning pages when he did not, about learning that intellectual life could survive in pieces, and about the women around her who treated study as something that could be folded into domestic life rather than postponed until domestic life ended. She did not object to the word. Ten minutes later it returned. Reem asked whether Nadia had realised, when she first began speaking publicly, how inspiring it would be for people to see a visibly fat Muslim woman occupying authority without apology. Nadia shifted slightly in her chair. She answered the question rather than the adjective. No, she said, because she had not begun public work as a visual symbol of anything. She had begun because there were meetings to organise and arguments she wanted to make. Other people noticed her body before she thought of it as politically significant. Later, once women told her that seeing her mattered, she took that seriously. But she did not wake in the morning and put on her clothes as an act of public instruction.
Reem nodded eagerly. “That’s inspiring in itself.” Nadia took a biscuit. The third time came when Reem asked about the 1970s. She had found an old article describing Nadia as a “remarkably composed young mother,” and she wanted to know whether Nadia thought that early pressure had made her strong. The sentence contained so many familiar assumptions that Nadia nearly smiled. She asked Reem what she meant by strong. Reem paused. “Resilient. Able to handle things that would overwhelm most people.” “Most people handle what arrives because it has arrived.” “But you were fifteen.” “Yes.” “And married.” “Yes.” “And raising a baby.” “I have not disputed the arithmetic.”
Reem laughed nervously, unsure whether Nadia was teasing. Nadia was, partly. She did not want to frighten the young woman into abandoning the question. She explained that adults around her had often praised her composure because praise was one of the available ways to support a young person who was already living with consequences nobody could reverse. Yet there was a danger in reading backward. If Nadia’s later life was impressive, people could begin to treat the difficulties of her adolescence as necessary ingredients. The story became cleaner: hardship produced strength, therefore hardship gained purpose. Reem’s pen slowed. “You don’t think it made you stronger?” “Some of it probably did. Some of it made me tired. Some of it frightened me. Some of it taught me things I would have preferred to learn more gently.” That seemed to interest Reem more than the prepared question. She leaned forward. Nadia could see the recorder’s small red light between them. The room was quiet except for traffic beyond the balcony doors and a neighbour moving furniture upstairs.
Reem asked whether Nadia regretted having Karim. “No.” The answer came quickly enough that the young woman flinched, perhaps afraid she had crossed a line. Nadia softened it. Karim was not interchangeable with the circumstances of becoming his mother. She could love her son without recommending fifteen-year-old motherhood. She could love Michael without pretending that marriage at fourteen or fifteen was an easy road simply because theirs had endured. She could be proud of who she had become without claiming every pressure placed on her had been a gift. Reem nodded and wrote for a long time.
The interview recovered. They moved to Michael, then Ghalia, then faith. Nadia described the strange practicality of an interfaith marriage that outsiders preferred to turn into either scandal or symbol. Most days, she said, coexistence looked less like theological dialogue than one person knowing where the other kept religious objects and remembering which household schedule changed during Ramadan or Easter. Reem laughed and asked whether she and Michael had ever argued about religion. Of course they had. They had also argued about money, curtains, school decisions, Michael’s habit of keeping broken electrical parts, Nadia’s habit of assuming every spare evening could accommodate one more visitor, and whether a chair with one loose leg counted as repairable. Religion was important. It was not the only important thing in a marriage. Then Reem asked about Nadia’s 1994 photography work with Arab Ass, and the word returned with full force. “You must have known how inspiring it would be,” she said, “for a practising hijabi woman, especially a fat woman, to be photographed that way and refuse the idea that modesty and sexuality cancel each other out.”
Nadia put down her tea. Reem saw it. “I’m sorry. Is that wrong?” “It is not exactly wrong.” “That sounds worse.” “It is more complicated.” Reem waited. Nadia asked how many times she had used the word inspirational since arriving. Reem looked horrified. She glanced at her notes as though the answer might be recorded in the margins. “Too many?” “Enough that I am beginning to wonder what you mean by it.” Reem sat very still. Nadia did not enjoy making young journalists nervous. There were public figures who treated interviews as opportunities to demonstrate superiority, and she despised the habit. She moved the plate of biscuits closer to Reem, partly because the girl had eaten only one and partly because ordinary gestures made difficult conversations less theatrical. “Do you mean admirable?” Nadia asked. “Or do you mean difficult?” Reem blinked. “I mean admirable.” “Sometimes you use it when you describe something I did. Sometimes you use it when you describe something that happened to me.”
The distinction landed. Reem looked down at her notes. Nadia continued gently. Being a mother at fifteen had been difficult. Being short of money had been difficult. Moving to Cairo with a child had been difficult. Being underestimated had been difficult. None of those things became admirable merely because she survived them. Organising people, speaking when it would have been easier to stay quiet, respecting her children’s different faiths, insisting on being represented on her own terms: those were choices, and if Reem admired them, Nadia would not pretend embarrassment. But survival was not always an accomplishment in the same moral category as choice. Sometimes survival was simply what a person did because the alternative was unavailable. Reem asked, “Would you rather people not find your story inspiring?” Nadia considered this. “People may find whatever they find. I cannot supervise their feelings.” “But you dislike the word.” “I dislike what it can hide.”
There was a long pause. Reem turned the recorder off. Nadia noticed. “Why did you do that?” “I thought maybe this part was off the record.” “I did not say that.” Reem turned it back on, then stopped with her hand still over it. “May I ask something without it?” Nadia nodded. The young woman said she had grown up reading about Nadia. Not constantly, not as an obsession, but enough that the broad outline had become familiar before she ever imagined interviewing her. Nadia was the village girl who married across a religious divide, the teenage mother who became a national peace advocate, the fat hijabi woman who refused to shrink either physically or socially. Reem had carried those pieces as a kind of proof that circumstances did not decide a woman’s future. She worried now that Nadia was telling her the entire interpretation was childish. “No,” Nadia said. “I am telling you it is incomplete.”
Reem’s shoulders dropped a little. Nadia told her there was nothing wrong with taking courage from another person’s life. She had done it herself. As a girl she had read about women scholars, organisers and teachers and imagined possibilities through them. The problem came when encouragement required sanding off pain. If Reem needed Nadia’s life to prove that a fifteen-year-old mother could still have an intellectual and public future, that was fine. If she needed fifteen-year-old motherhood itself to become a beautiful forge in which Nadia’s character was made, then Nadia objected. “Karim was beautiful,” Nadia said. “The fear was not. Michael’s love was real. So was the fact that we were children making decisions adults found terrifying. Cairo gave me a life I love. The first months were lonely. My body became mine in ways I value. That does not mean every cruel comment about it helped me grow. Why must the good things justify the bad ones?”
Reem looked at her for a long moment. Then she switched the recorder back on. The interview changed after that. Her questions lost some polish and gained specificity. She asked Nadia what she had needed at fifteen that people had not known how to give. Nadia said rest, privacy, practical help, and fewer predictions about what her life would become. She had been surrounded by love, but love sometimes arrived carrying opinions. People told her she would lose the pregnancy weight. They told her she would regret marrying Michael. They told her motherhood would make study impossible or, in the opposite direction, that a good mother should no longer want anything beyond family. Everybody seemed very certain about a future Nadia herself could not see. “What did you think would happen?” Reem asked. “I thought Karim would wake up in two hours.” Reem laughed. “That is not evasion. When you are fifteen with a baby, the future can be very small. Feed him. Wash something. Sleep. Get through the afternoon. People later ask what grand vision carried me forward. Often I was carrying laundry.”
They spoke for another hour. Nadia described the difference between confidence and the appearance of confidence. She could stand before hundreds of people and speak clearly while still worrying afterward that she had missed an important point. She could wear a garment she loved without believing every photograph of her was flattering. She could be unapologetically fat and still dislike a chair that pressed into her hips or a doctor who blamed an unrelated injury on weight. Public language liked total states: confident, brave, strong, empowered. Private life was less obedient. Reem asked whether Nadia had ever dieted. Nadia said not seriously, which seemed to disappoint the narrative Reem had expected. There had been periods of eating differently for practical reasons, attempts to improve energy, religious fasting, illness, pregnancy, appetite changes. But there had been no great battle between Nadia and thinness. After Karim, everyone else had spent longer expecting her old body to return than she had. Eventually she realised that she was not temporarily failing to become somebody she had been at fourteen. She was continuing to exist.
Reem wrote that sentence down, then asked if she could quote it. Nadia said she could quote anything recorded unless she later called to withdraw it. Reem looked almost embarrassed by the generosity. Nadia reminded her that interviews worked better when interviewers were allowed to interview. Michael came home near the end and tried to pass quietly through the room with groceries. Nadia introduced him anyway. Reem, who had been composed while discussing teenage motherhood and sexuality, became visibly flustered at meeting the man she had read about in half a dozen profiles. Michael took this with modest amusement. He answered two questions, refused a third because it concerned Nadia’s internal life, and escaped to the kitchen. Reem whispered that he was exactly as she had imagined. Nadia asked what this meant. Reem said she did not know and immediately crossed the comment out of her notes.
When the formal interview ended, Reem packed slowly. She thanked Nadia and then, after a hesitation, thanked her for correcting her. Nadia objected to the word correcting. They had talked. Reem said she had come with a shape already prepared for the story and had not realised it. Nadia told her every writer came with a shape. The useful part was noticing when the material refused to fit it. At the door Reem asked one last question with the recorder already packed away. “If you could speak to yourself at fifteen, what would you say?” Nadia groaned. “I knew that was terrible as soon as I said it.” “It is not terrible. It is simply dangerous.” “Why?” “Because forty-year-old Nadia has the unfair advantage of knowing everything worked out.” Reem smiled.
Nadia thought about it anyway. She could tell the girl she would survive. She could tell her Michael would still be beside her decades later, Karim would grow into a man she admired, there would be another child, a move to Cairo, public work she could not yet imagine, photographs, travel, arguments, faith deepened rather than diluted. But reassurance from the future would erase the uncertainty that made being fifteen difficult. Perhaps she would say something smaller. “Sleep when someone offers to hold the baby,” Nadia said. Reem laughed so hard she had to put down her bag. For two weeks Nadia heard nothing. This was normal, but because the interview had become unusually personal she found herself wondering what Reem would do with it. She did not ask the editor. She did not call to supervise. She had meant what she said about allowing writers to write. The first indication came from Karim, who telephoned one morning and said, “You have ruined resilience.”
Nadia was still in the kitchen in her robe and hijab underscarf, drinking tea. “Good morning to you too.” “The article. Apparently I was not a beautiful forge.” Nadia began laughing. She had not known the issue was out. Karim had bought it on his way to work. He read her the headline, which thankfully contained neither “inspiring” nor “inspirational.” The title was “The Parts That Do Not Become Lessons.” Nadia approved provisionally. Karim said there was a photograph of her in the green dress with gold cuffs Salma had made years earlier and another newer portrait at home. He liked the piece. Then he added, more seriously, that he had never considered how often people praised Nadia for surviving circumstances that he himself would never recommend to anyone. Nadia told him not to become guilty. Karim said he knew. He was allowed, however, to think about his mother’s life. She accepted this.
Michael brought a copy home at lunch. Nadia made herself finish eating before reading because she did not want to become the kind of person who abandoned food for her own press coverage. The article was longer than she expected. Reem had not written a correction to the legend so much as a profile of how legends formed. She described Nadia’s public biography, then repeatedly placed the polished version beside Nadia’s more ordinary memory of the same period. Where old profiles praised extraordinary composure, Nadia remembered exhaustion and laundry. Where later admirers framed her body as a permanent site of rebellion, Nadia described years when she simply needed clothes that fit and a chair without rigid arms. Where the public story presented an interfaith marriage as a grand demonstration of tolerance, Nadia and Michael argued about broken furniture.
Reem had used the word inspiring twice. The first time it appeared in a description of how others spoke about Nadia. The second time came in the final third, where Reem wrote that Nadia did not object to inspiration itself but to the moral laundering of hardship. Nadia paused over that phrase. It was sharper than anything she had said. She was not sure she loved it, but she understood what Reem meant. More important, the article did not turn the interview into a triumph in which wise Nadia educated naïve Reem. Reem included herself. She admitted she had arrived carrying a prefabricated narrative and quoted Nadia asking whether “inspirational” meant admirable or merely difficult. She described the question as embarrassing because it revealed how easily admiration could become imprecise. Michael read over Nadia’s shoulder until she told him either to sit beside her or stop breathing into her ear. He sat. When they reached the section on their marriage, he objected that the chair with the loose leg had been entirely repairable. Nadia told him this proved Reem had understood the household perfectly.
Ghalia came home from school and read the article on the floor beside the sofa, making comments in the margins with a pencil until Nadia confiscated it. At fourteen, she was particularly interested in the idea that adults might mistake a difficult adolescence for a useful one. She asked whether people would someday describe her current school troubles as character-building. Nadia said almost certainly, because adults were shameless. Ghalia said she intended to remain characterless out of protest. The piece travelled farther than Nadia expected. Letters arrived at the weekly. Some readers loved it. Some accused Nadia of rejecting the very qualities for which people admired her. One man wrote that hardship had always produced great leaders and Nadia should be grateful for the trials that shaped her. Nadia read that sentence twice, then handed the letter to Michael. He said perhaps the writer would like some additional hardship delivered to his house for personal development.
Other letters were quieter. A woman who had become a mother at sixteen wrote that she loved her daughter but hated when people said the pregnancy had been “meant to be” because the phrase seemed to require gratitude for fear, poverty and lost education. Another reader, now in her fifties, said she had survived an unhappy early marriage and spent years being told the experience made her stronger. She wanted, just once, to say that she would have preferred to become strong some other way. Nadia read these slowly. Reem telephoned a week after publication, sounding both exhilarated and exhausted. The editor was pleased. The letters page was overflowing. Two senior columnists had argued about the piece in print. Reem asked whether Nadia was angry about anything in it. Nadia said she disliked one sentence. There was a silence of dread. “The chair was repairable,” Nadia said. Reem made a choking noise and then laughed.
After that, Nadia told her the actual criticism. The article occasionally made fifteen-year-old Nadia sound more isolated than she had been. She had been young, frightened and under pressure, but she had also been loved. Zaynab had helped. Ahmad had worried and still remained present. Michael had been young too, not a rescuer standing outside the problem. His family had contributed. Neighbours had carried food, held Karim, passed advice both useful and ridiculous. Nadia did not want complication to become a new simplification in which her younger self was a lonely heroine surviving everyone around her. Reem went quiet again, this time thinking rather than panicking. She said she could not change the printed piece but wanted to keep that in mind. Nadia told her that was enough.
They met for coffee several months later. There was no recorder. Reem had cut her hair shorter and seemed less afraid of arriving at the wrong minute. She brought Nadia a copy of the article folded open to a university newspaper column that had cited it in a discussion of “resilience narratives.” Nadia teased her for carrying clippings now like an elderly press secretary. Reem said Nadia had ruined her vocabulary; she could no longer write “inspiring” without hearing a question mark. “That was not my intention.” “I know. It is still your fault.” Reem had interviewed several other women since then and found the distinction useful. A factory organiser who survived an assault had become angry when Reem almost framed the violence as the origin of her activism. A widow who built a successful business after her husband’s death had said she was proud of the business and would still prefer her husband alive. A disabled athlete rejected the idea that disability existed to teach other people courage. Reem said she had begun noticing how frequently journalists used adversity as narrative glue because it made lives easier to structure.
Nadia listened, then warned her not to replace one formula with another. Not every person minded talking about growth through suffering. Some genuinely understood hardship as transformative and meaningful. The point was not to ban the interpretation. It was to stop assigning it automatically. Reem smiled. “You cannot let me have one rule.” “I distrust rules that fit on mugs.” They drank coffee and moved on to gossip. A month after the coffee, Nadia was invited to a women’s college in Cairo for a discussion that had been arranged long before Reem’s profile appeared. The organisers had advertised the evening as a conversation about public life, family and faith. By the time Nadia arrived, photocopies of the article were circulating among students. She recognised them from the crooked black band where the magazine page had not sat flat against the copier glass. Reem was not there, but her questions had travelled ahead of her. Nadia noticed this with amusement and a little unease. Once language entered print, it stopped belonging to the room in which it had been spoken.
The event itself was lively. Students challenged Nadia on interfaith work, asked why she had sometimes cooperated with organisations whose politics she disliked, and pressed her on whether public visibility changed religious practice. One young woman, wearing a bright blue hijab and enormous round glasses, finally stood and said she had read the profile three times. Her own mother had married at sixteen and spent much of her adult life saying that the hardship had made her who she was. The student loved her mother, but she also feared that questioning the hardship sounded like questioning the woman produced by it. How, she asked, could you wish someone had suffered less without wishing that person were different?
Nadia sat with the question rather than reaching for the sentence that had worked in print. The room waited. She said she did not believe people were recipes in which removing one bitter ingredient necessarily produced an entirely different dish. That metaphor made several students laugh, and Nadia immediately complained that she had just created exactly the kind of line she distrusted because someone would put it on a poster. Then she tried again. She could not know who she would have been if she had become a mother at twenty-five instead of fifteen. Nobody could run a second life beside the first as an experiment. What she could know was that the younger Nadia deserved more ease than she received. Wanting that ease did not insult the older Nadia. Compassion for a past self was not a demand to erase her.
Another student asked whether this meant Nadia regretted marrying Michael. The room tightened in the way rooms did when people anticipated scandal. Nadia laughed. She said she had gone home to the same man for more than twenty years and intended to do so again tonight, which answered the practical part. But regret was a clumsy tool. She could be grateful for a marriage and still recognise that adolescents should not have to prove the seriousness of their love by carrying adult burdens before they were ready. Her marriage succeeding did not establish a general law. Their particular happiness was not statistical evidence. Michael would probably be offended to learn that he was not statistical evidence, but he would recover.
The questions kept coming. A student who had been praised all her life for coping with a difficult father asked how to stop being “the strong one” without feeling selfish. Nadia refused to answer as though she were a counsellor. She did say that labels other people admired could become cages when one felt obligated to perform them continuously. A woman could be strong and still need help. She could be generous and say no. She could be confident and have a terrible day. Human qualities were descriptions, not employment contracts. The student wrote this down. Nadia caught her and said, “Do not put that on a mug either.” The room broke into laughter.
Afterward a line formed, not for formal questions but for the small private disclosures public events attracted. Nadia listened to a young mother who was finishing a degree slowly while caring for two children. The woman said she had once used Nadia’s biography to shame herself: if Nadia could raise a child at fifteen and later do everything she had done, then surely this woman had no right to struggle at twenty-seven. Reem’s article had startled her because it revealed how cruelly inspiration could be turned inward. Nadia felt a flash of anger at a version of herself she had never intended to create. Then she reminded herself that symbols did not obey their subjects.
She told the woman that biographies omitted naps, arguments, illnesses, people who helped, abandoned projects, and days when nothing was accomplished. They compressed twenty years into a paragraph and made endurance look efficient. Nadia’s life had not been efficient. She had lost papers, missed buses, cried from exhaustion, snapped at Michael, forgotten appointments, served dinner late, and sometimes done no more than get through a day. The woman laughed with visible relief. Nadia asked what she studied. Accounting, it turned out. They spent the next five minutes talking about exams rather than resilience. On the drive home Nadia thought about how strange it was to become material in other people’s private moral calculations. It was one thing to know that strangers admired her. It was another to discover that somebody had used the clean outline of Nadia’s life as a weapon against her own messy one. She could not prevent that either. But she could keep supplying mess. If people insisted on making lessons from her, she could at least make the lessons difficult to simplify.
Michael was awake when she came in. He asked how the event went while checking a shelf bracket against the wall. Nadia told him she had discovered their marriage was not statistical evidence. Michael looked wounded and said he had always hoped to become a data set. She threw her scarf pin case at him gently. He caught it, set it down, and asked what had really happened. Nadia told him about the young mother. Michael listened, then said public stories were like electrical diagrams: useful, but only if nobody mistook them for the building itself. Nadia stared at him. He asked what. She said nothing, but if he ever used that line in front of Reem, she would deny it was his.
By the end of 1998, the article had joined the stack of profiles Nadia no longer kept neatly. She saved one copy in a file because Ghalia insisted, then forgot about it for weeks at a time. Public reputation continued doing what public reputation did. Speakers introduced her with compressed biographies. Journalists called her brave. Younger women told her they had found courage in seeing her. Nadia did not interrupt them to demand more exact language. If somebody said she inspired them, she said thank you. But when interviewers asked about becoming a mother at fifteen, she became more attentive to the direction of the question. She learned to distinguish curiosity about how she had lived from hunger for a neat origin story. When somebody suggested that early hardship had prepared her for leadership, she sometimes agreed that certain skills had roots there: patience, improvisation, the ability to keep speaking while a child interrupted, a practical understanding that ideals had to survive laundry and hunger and sleep. Then she added what Reem’s first draft of a question had accidentally taught her to say plainly.
Useful things could grow from bad conditions without making the conditions good. That was all. Years later, people would still tell Nadia that her life was inspirational. The word never stopped being slippery, but she stopped treating it as a problem she could solve in advance. She could not control what strangers made of her. A woman might see Nadia’s body and feel less afraid of her own. A teenage mother might see her career and imagine a future beyond the next exhausted month. A Muslim woman might see her photographs and find a language for sexuality that did not require abandoning faith. A person in an interfaith marriage might take comfort from Nadia and Michael’s stubborn longevity. Those meanings belonged partly to the people who needed them. What Nadia could do was refuse the price sometimes demanded by legend: the transformation of pain into proof that pain had been necessary.
On an evening near the end of the year, she found Reem’s article on the kitchen table beneath a grocery list. Michael had used the back page to calculate measurements for a shelf. Nadia complained that he had defaced an archival document. Michael said it was a newspaper, not scripture. She rescued the pages anyway and smoothed them flat. There she was in the photograph with the gold cuffs, broad and composed, looking more certain than she remembered feeling that day. Beside it was Reem’s description of a woman whose history had been repeatedly polished into inevitability. Nadia looked at the image for a moment and thought of herself at fifteen, not as a symbol of endurance but as a girl awake at an unreasonable hour with a baby who would not sleep. No audience watched her. No future admirer drew strength from her. She was tired, frightened of doing something wrong, and trying to remember whether she had eaten. That girl deserved tenderness even if she had grown into nobody famous at all. Nadia folded the paper and put it away.