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  1. Account Deleted on Chapter 6 Fri 03 Oct 2025 10:22PM UTC

    It is true that Destruction is young, but if we consider Phainon's scenario... I wouldn't be surprised that in some places in the universe, time can be extremely warped. Like Phainon was in the ER for at LEAST 33 billion years if we count that each cycle is 1000 years plus. A cycle could have lasted longer, phainon could have landed farther behind where titans were beginning to florish, he didn't exactly have control over it... Each cycle was at least 5000 years plus, not to confuse it with eternal reoccurrences, because that's the loop. Like considering the birth of the titans and how long each era took and Phainon trying his to grant everyone's wishes in his own way considering his demo trailer between the cycles. Phainon (or well Khaslana in this case) could have been doing this for 100s of billions of years inside the spector... also isn't Istaroth possibly 14 billion years old? It was mentioned somewhere in genshin... in a storybook perhaps... 🤔 I just don't remember where...

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    1. 4venger on Chapter 6 Sat 04 Oct 2025 12:00AM UTC

      It was volume 4 of The Byakuyakoku Collection. It was part of an ancient riddle that calls (Istaroth) Tokoyo Ookami, the "mother" of fourteen billion years.

      Question 6: A father has twelve children, each then giving birth to sixty daughters of different appearances. Of them, thirty are pale and thirty are dark. The whole family, knowing not death, will only fade away. Who is the father?
      Answer: The answer is the year. The people of Byakuyakoku may find the part about sixty pale or dark granddaughters a bit confusing. But everything will start to make sense once they crack Question 4.
      There used to be a sequel to this riddle in ancient times. It roughly said that every granddaughter would give birth to twelve descendants, and each of them would then have sixty children. Every such child later would give birth to another sixty, who would go on to have children of their own. This would continue until at last, all the offspring would together give birth to the one and only primordial child — Tokoyo Ookami, the "mother" of fourteen billion years.
      Watatsumi Omikami forbade people from spreading this riddle.

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      It’s still funny if that’s truly Istaroth’s age, because her father would (likely) still be more than double her age.

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      1. Account Deleted on Chapter 6 Sat 04 Oct 2025 02:01AM UTC

        Ohhh, yeah this! Also yeah pretty hilarious considering while... Khaslana... and just realized... would Istaroth be considered the oldest daughter then? Would she be considered the first daughter born? Or is she somehow older than all the Shades combined? Curiouser and curiouser. While yes we don't know much about Celestia truly, it's still super fun to ponder about.

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        1. Auralear on Chapter 6 Sat 04 Oct 2025 07:33PM UTC

          The Shades were all created at the same time. I am taking the liberty of having them created in the order of the artifacts, so Life/Naberius came first, then Death/Ronova, then Time/Istaroth, then Space/Asmoday.

          It would be much like twins arguing over one being older by 2 minutes or something.

          If Istaroth is older than the other Shades or Phanes, it’s from time fuckery. Which, as the Ruler of Time, would fit her.

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          1. Account Deleted on Chapter 6 Sun 05 Oct 2025 12:58AM UTC

            I see! That should definitely be interesting... snorts the imagine of them cat fighting is sending me. Also yeah ngl when I think of Istaroth from genshin my brain immediately goes to time fuckery. Like whatever the hell she did with the Twins (Lumine and Aether) with splitting the timeline or smth, I don't remember. Yeah it fits her definitely... she and Venti are so vibing. 😆

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    3. Ir1stheKueen on Chapter 6 Sat 04 Oct 2025 07:13AM UTC

      I meant in the sense that Nanook ascended about 700 Trailblaze years ago, and, probably due to simplicity's sake but still, one Trailblaze year is the same as a Teyvat year, or same as an irl year.

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      1. Account Deleted on Chapter 6 Sat 04 Oct 2025 07:55AM UTC

        Ohh... wait really? Thought it was longer ago considering amber eras are 40 to 200 something years. But that would make sense... considering Firefly is technically oldee then Nanook... I think don't quote me on that lol, my lore is not the best when it's not my muse.

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        1. Ir1stheKueen on Chapter 6 Sat 04 Oct 2025 08:45AM UTC

          The 700 years is a rough approximation I will admit, but it is basically the the most recent Galactic event, plus iirc correctly, that's when Jarilo-VI was attacked by Nanook's Anti-matter legion, so I think its safe to say that that is around when Nanook ascended. Now that could be counted in Jarilo-VI years, which could be different from TB years, but we have no indication of it so far.
          But yeah, HSR timeline if all over the place with various calenders used, which, like Amber Eras, can very in length.
          Even still, I think the general consensus is that Nanook is about 700-1000 TB years old. If that is 1-1 convertable to Teyvat years, then the Abyss would have to be different from the Path of Destruction, but like I said, it could still be tied to it, Nanook does like to recruit anyone for THEIR team.
          And it would explain why the Abyss seemingly also changed in behaviour, when Deshret, Hyperborea and other ancient civillizations used the Abyss it was in the form of Forbidden Knowledge, but in Khaenri'ah, it pure destructive monsters, I'm willing to bet that if Genshin and HSR are connected in the sense that Teyvat is just a planet in the wider cosmos, but blocked off ever since Phanes arrived, that the Abyss, or at least some part of it, was gazed at by Nanook some time before the Cataclysm.

          Theory rambling aside, I am curious to see if and how HSR and Genshin connect/will be connected.

          Also yes, I do believe Firefly is older than Nanook lol, the same is true for a bunch of other characters though, like Jade and more than likely Jing Yuan, Jingliu as well as Blade. Funny how that happens xd.

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          1. Account Deleted on Chapter 6 Sat 04 Oct 2025 09:55AM UTC

            LMFAO I JUST REALIZED YOUR PFP. I LOVE IT, DO U HAVE A LINK FOR IT? ...you know... for research purposes. 😂 No but genuinely ur pfp made me giggle, oh Stelle you absolutely gremlin. Let's switch places—smacks myself, I mean haha I'm joking snorts.

            Also ah I see, yes that makes more sense... and definitely a more reasonable take on it because hoyo is not known for their clear lore. Timeline is all over the place and it's... kind of vague. 😭🙏 A lot of it ends up under the interpretation of the player (audience) and hoyo is BIG on symbolism. They don't tell you the answers straight out sometimes, just let you make your own opinion of the story itself. Although that makes me ponder, as Nanook was originally human (?) that ascended... could it have been possible that they were actually older then themselves as an Aeon? It's an interesting train of thought considering how some playable characters are older than Nanook himself haha.

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            1. Ir1stheKueen on Chapter 6 Sat 04 Oct 2025 10:44AM UTC

              LMAO thx it was a pain in the ass to get the pic to be the right format and size to fit

              https://xcancel.com/Shiben_c16e4/status/1966488919228203218#m

              in Xcancel, in case you dont have a TWT account
              And yeah, Hoyo doesn't give you the answers straight, they might have a timeline in mind, but they do do the FNAF thing where its just breadcrumbs
              Tho in HSR's case, they probably delibaretly obfuscated a lot of details in case they change their minds, its why I think Amber Eras are between 70-something and 240 years long, makes it easier to make changes down the line

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              1. Account Deleted on Chapter 6 Sat 04 Oct 2025 05:28PM UTC

                Ohhh I see, yeah. Also damn I was not think about Amber Eras that way for hoyo if they ever wanted to make changes to the timeline. Ngl it was such a huge ass inconvenience for me when I tried to theorize the WHEN within hsr because my brain cells like dying when I attempt to unpack it. Also THANK YOUUUU! I'M DYINGG! Although my condolences to your troubles, ao3 can be so iffy sometimes. 😭🙏

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                1. Ir1stheKueen on Chapter 6 Sat 04 Oct 2025 06:19PM UTC

                  YW, it was no biggie on my end

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            3. MsChlorey on Chapter 6 Sat 04 Oct 2025 03:02PM UTC

              While not all, Aeon was indeed mortal before. Eg: Propagation was literally a lonely bug. Or Nous was... literally a fragment of Zandar himself. I believe Nanook humanoids avatar suggest they are human before.

              For Nanook, they is the youngest Aeon, minus Terminus.

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              1. Account Deleted on Chapter 6 Sat 04 Oct 2025 05:26PM UTC

                Well, yes? I was unsure if Nanook was human so I put a question mark after it lol. Also yeah, not all aeons were human or even humanoid... like the path of Voracity was believed to be a leviathan (or was one at least) before their ascent into Aeonhood. I was just theorizing that technically Nanook before he ascended his "mortality" to put it plainly, could have been older than themselves as an Aeon. We don't know much about many of the Aeons and what they were like before their ascension. Like we've learned or at least believed that Firefly and a few other playable characters are possibly older than Nanook, but that's them as an Aeon age not before.

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          3. Redsun3 on Chapter 6 Sat 04 Oct 2025 11:13PM UTC

            The oldest event we know Nanook was involved in was Celenova working with the Xianzhou to destroy the Wingweavers in 5700 sc, and the present time is 8100 sc (sc is about equivalent to years I think). So Nanook is at least 2400 years old. it's hard to get a timeframe other than 'probably younger than 100 amber eras (or at most 20000 years) old, and probably older than 2400 years old. A lot of stuff in hsr's history is undated.

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            1. Ir1stheKueen on Chapter 6 Sun 05 Oct 2025 08:07AM UTC

              Not quite, the Star Calender used by the Xianzhou is different from the Trailblaze Years, so its not a 1-1 translation, we don't know how exactly it measures time, but we have reason to believe it isn't the same as TBYs. Especially since that would make Dan Heng around 800 years old, and while we have no confirmed ages, that would still be absolutely ridiculous.

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              1. Redsun3 on Chapter 6 Mon 06 Oct 2025 12:09AM UTC

                It would only make him 28, he was 'born' in 8072 sc and it's presently 8100 sc. There are really weird implications about the star calendar system though, and specifically that there's only been 8000 years of it when a significant chunk of the population can live to over a thousand without it being too surprising - 50% of the natives make it 900. HSR's timeline is kind of a mess in general to be honest.

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                1. Ir1stheKueen on Chapter 6 Mon 06 Oct 2025 06:31AM UTC

                  Oh didn't know that, I went off of when the Sedition took place

                  But yeah, it is, between the various calenders, and the non-specificity of how they measure time, and The Enigmata doing its thing, its very hard to make heads or tails of this mess

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