Comment on Omegaverse Genetics - One Theory

  1. TriTrin5 (Guest) on Chapter 1 Sat 12 Dec 2015 06:22PM UTC

    In case someone still reads the comments: This is great work and I really regret that I found it only after my attempt to approach a/b/o "scientificaly" lead to weird hybrid-verse where part of the population is born with both sets of genitals (don't ask. I am never publishing it anywhere).
    I would like to know: it's been a while since I had to read this type of charts and my english is not half as good as it should be given the time I am trying to learn it, so I am not sure, but did you consider the number of available omegas in your charts?

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    1. dkwilliams on Chapter 1 Sun 13 Dec 2015 02:35AM UTC

      I think that I've seen other Omegaverse stories where they have both genitals, and it could be possible. In the Variations where I indicated that Alpha females can both sire and bear children, they would have both sets of genitals. Omega males have both sets of genitals, sometimes (if they have a vagina instead of their womb connecting through the anal passage), but they would have at least the interior female genital parts. So you're not unusual in doing a hybrid.

      As far as the number of available omegas - I am not sure what you are asking. The charts give the statistical percentages for a population, for example, Omegas being 11% of the population in Variation one. If there are 100 people, 11 would be Omegas - you would just size that up So, for example, in 2014 with 8 million people in London, 880,000 would be Omegas. Is that what you are looking for?

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      1. TriTrin5 (Guest) on Chapter 1 Sun 13 Dec 2015 12:09PM UTC

        Not exactly: I just wanted to know whether the number of children (of any gender) delivered by the omegas was lowered according to their numbers and whether it affected the ratio of genders in the progeny.

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        1. dkwilliams on Chapter 1 Sun 13 Dec 2015 04:40PM UTC

          Oh, you're talking about the idea that the sex of the progeny is determined by environment, and that if there are a lot of Omegas present in the population, an Omega would be more likely to have a non-Omega child. Am I right? No, this system is strictly based on genes, and that wouldn't be affected by environment.

          However, that might be a possibility, and there might be a way to postulate a gene cluster that allows gender to change. Fresne has written a series (Phrygian Choices) in which things like diet and the gender population affect the way a young person presents at puberty, but not at birth. Some frogs change genders depending on their environment, usually because of food, temperature, rainfall and such. However, there are types of frogs who, if placed in an all-female environment, will change gender to include some males to produce offspring - the first Jurassic Park movie used that concept. These are all post-birth, though.

          On the other hand, a recent study in Japan determined that environmental conditions in artificially bred cows can determine the sex of the offspring. There has been some research about how women can try to pre-determine the sex of their baby by various things such as position, timing, environment of the womb, etc. - giving preference to either the X or Y sperm, to give them an edge in conception. So it could be possible that in any kind of Variation that I've proposed, that an Omega could boost their likelihood of having a child of a certain gender through these methods, or that Mother Nature in that universe would have a gene as part of the cluster that is affected by the number of other Omegas around.

          In other words, whatever you want to put in your story, I am sure that you can come up with a way to explain it.

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          1. TriTrin5 (Guest) on Chapter 1 Sun 13 Dec 2015 11:15PM UTC

            To be honest, not entirely, but I am very thankful for your incredibly thorought reply nevertheless.

            Apparently I suck at explaining what I am trying to ask, but maybe an example will prove helpful:
            In Variant 1, Betas the largest part of the population (46% of progeny), Alphas are a large part of the population (44%) and Omegas are rare (11%). Which means that there should be fewer children conceived by pairs with an omega than other cases. So... are the few of them expected to be fertile enough to somehow compensate (which would probably rule out worlds where male omega pregnancy is exceptionaly dangerous) or do the numbers you present take that into account?

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            1. dkwilliams on Chapter 1 Mon 14 Dec 2015 12:32AM UTC

              Oh, okay. No, the statistics don't adjust for that kind of thing, as they are just numbers.

              However, in the story that I am writing, I adjust for that by stating in my world-building that Omegas have a higher degree of success in conceiving than Betas, who just have average conception rates. I mentioned here that there might be genes linked to the a/b/o gene that add to the genetic advantage, such as increased conception or ease of delivery, etc. Plus, in the variations I outlined, where a Beta or Alpha could have a recessive omega gene, they could still have Omega offspring. So its not entirely up to Omegas to populate the earth (unless the Betas are sterile).

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              1. TriTrin5 (Guest) on Chapter 1 Wed 16 Dec 2015 07:09PM UTC

                Thank you for your clarification!

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      3. Doranwen on Chapter 1 Thu 19 Jan 2017 01:57AM UTC

        *scratches head* Could you explain the idea of Omega males having both genitals a bit further? I'm trying to figure out how they would be obviously different from Alpha females at birth, then - since that's what defines an Alpha female (from what I read of your document), is the presence of a penis and vagina both at birth. I'm now wondering if anyone's written something where one cannot tell apart Alpha females from Omega males at birth and have to wait till they grow up and present - in which case, are they considered boys or girls at school? Or something else / undefined gender? What an interesting complication, lol.

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        1. dkwilliams on Chapter 1 Sat 05 May 2018 11:05PM UTC

          Sorry for the delay in responding - this got lost somehow.

          I've seen a lot of different explanations for Alpha females, some having cilia instead of a penis, and some of them not having a vagina. As far as Omega males are concerned, almost all the worlds I've seen have them equipped with both. A lot of people write everyone as appearing to be a Beta until puberty when they "present" as a gender, and some have that based on environment (what they eat, how many of that gender in the area, etc.) Some have them born with a gender right off the bat. In the omegaverse that I wrote, John was initially thought to be a beta male under he was christened - the chrism used in the ceremony changed color based on the gender in that world. In a modern world where there is blood typing and other genetic tests that can be done at birth, it would be obvious in universes where X and Y determine gender and A B O determine their presentation. But I think it would be very interesting to have a world where you can't tell Omega males apart from Alpha females. Maybe they would be raised as ungendered, or something different - that could be very interesting. Especially if the character's family were leaning in one direction and the child was leaning in the other direction.

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