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  1. Anon (Guest) on Chapter 29 Mon 29 Nov 2021 12:02AM UTC

    That’s where she could theorise that the emotions doesn’t matter, it’s the brain activities that’s important. As long as it’s the right combination of neuron firing (like puzzle pieces), it should reproduce the same result. No need for something as unreliable as love or any emotions for that matter. It’s nothing more than a meaningless ritual beings had created because it coincidentally produces the desired result. Nothing more than the experiment where pigeons start making rituals to speed up their feeding time.

    Being someone well-read as her since her first life, she would know the phrase, “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”. As such, just accepting how the technology works is no more different than a believer blindly believe in a higher being. Clearly there’s more to it than their current understanding. Accepting an orderless world that doesn’t follow rules is unacceptable to her as she’s someone that values such things.

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    1. A_Morte_Perpetua_Machina_Libera_Nos on Chapter 29 Mon 29 Nov 2021 12:10AM UTC

      What exactly does seeing love as "neuron activity" change? Nothing. This world has no super advanced brain surgery yet and if she does not find a really convinient relic that can alter brain chemistry for her that does not matter. She cannot change other people into perfect "love machines" to trick the ritual, so it is easier to refer to the concept just as normal, ordinary love. Keeping stuff you cannot change simple is common sense.

      And no, I believe you are interpreting that saying wrong. She believes the magic in the Abyss to be technology that she just cannot understand yet. (The same way we cannot understand Dark Matter or Dark Energy right now.) There are rules, but she does not know all of them. That is not "blind faith" that is "being logical enough to see your own limitations".

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      1. NightDK on Chapter 29 Mon 29 Nov 2021 12:18AM UTC

        I followed trought this thread and found it interesting. what i propose is simply cloning, it is technically possible to clone people here in the real life but you might have to read a bit on that, you can clone a human child and use its parts to form cartridges, let it interact with the other clones and form bonds so that the hormones that induce joy, love, amusement, pain, sadness e.t.c have a "conceptual" substance to it. The best is you can mass produce clones as long as you have resources and the longer they mature more powerful the cartridges will be. Mass produced loli spilling noises, imagine that!

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        1. A_Morte_Perpetua_Machina_Libera_Nos on Chapter 29 Mon 29 Nov 2021 12:22AM UTC

          I think they would need a developed conciousness to willingly take on the curse of another being. That means it has to be basically a real child. Just "love" is not enough sadly.
          It would be no different from using regular orphans except that it is 100 times more expensive

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      3. Anon (Guest) on Chapter 29 Mon 29 Nov 2021 12:23AM UTC

        Perfect love machines? That’s unnecessary when zoaholic exists (unless he also doesn’t tell her about that). Even then, there’s a lot of relics to build off that hypothesis. Emotions aren’t needed. Neurons are just numbers in its purest form. Unlike love, dark matter and dark energy is something that could be proved with calculations. As long as she can’t reliably calculate love as part of the equation, she has no reason to believe it’s as important as Bondrewd think. Rituals are just that. Rituals. Something that happens because no one ever bothers to science it out. Bondrewd is too hyper focused to see that from her view even if she doesn’t voice it out. If we based it on the Youjo Senki version of Tanya that is.

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        1. A_Morte_Perpetua_Machina_Libera_Nos on Chapter 29 Mon 29 Nov 2021 12:40AM UTC

          I doubt the Soul Slave Machine works this way or else Bondrewd would have figured that out in the canon timeline. I am pretty sure that it has to be two seperate minds for the ritual to work.

          And you can prove the existence of love lol. That is literally a huge part of behaviour analysis, psychology and biology in general. We just do not exactly how it works, because the human brain is the most complex structure in the known universe.

          And emotions are needed, because emotions are the manifestation of neuron activity! She cannot control specific neuron activity anyway, because it is basically the year 1910. It is irrelevant what the real science behind a phenomenon is (like how the String Theory explains atomic particles, but we use simpler to understand theories because it doesn't make a difference in 99.99% of cases) if you cannot put that knowledge into practice. If I do not suddenly introduce a relic that induces strong devotion in whoever it is used on then it does not matter.

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          1. Anon (Guest) on Chapter 29 Mon 29 Nov 2021 12:58AM UTC

            It’s not uncommon for two people to reach different conclusions after seeing the same data, and bias among scientists aren’t a new phenomenon. In other words, Bondrewd doesn’t necessarily would reach the answer if given a long time. The fact that he didn’t continue to replicate and change his earlier experiments in tandem to experimenting on children seems to solidify this. Emotions are part of why neurons fire, yes, but most neurons fire to keep the organs alive. Wiring the neurons isn’t impossible with what is shown in Made in Abyss. Organic technology is more advanced there despite never seeing it in Orth because of poverty.

            Yeah, Tanya is the only one that can use the relic uses and induces strong devotion. Luckily, Bondrewd is there to record everything. He may learn more about the Abyss more than he did in canon just by charting the contradictions of how her relic works and how she interacts with it. May even inspire him to change his experiments based on his observations on the enigma called Tanya.

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            1. A_Morte_Perpetua_Machina_Libera_Nos on Chapter 29 Mon 29 Nov 2021 01:01AM UTC

              Maybe? We will see where this paticular plot bunny takes me...

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