Comment on 5 times Team Cap could have prevented Civil War (if they weren’t such morons) and one time they didn’t

  1. Kohumi on Chapter 1 Tue 07 Feb 2017 07:39AM UTC

    I actually agree with the first comment. I'm really tired of fans pretending that Tony was a some kind of martyr who's done nothing wrong and that only team Cap are to blame for Civil War. Yes, Steve should have told Tony about his parents. But Tony would attack Bucky after watching the video regardless of knowing, because hearing such things and watching them are completely different.
    And yes, maybe Steve should have tried harder to reach a compromise, but with his and Tony's constant arguments it wasn't likely they would reach a decision.
    As for the fight in Germany, team Cap didn't have time for talking, they were late as it was.
    And Tony made bad decisions as well. For once, he locked Wanda. I understand that it was to protect her, but it could have been done differently.
    Tony also trusted Ross, which I don't understand at all. Even if he didn't know what Ross had done to Bruce, which is highly unlikely, had a confrontation with Thunderbolt in the end of the Hulk movie.
    It was like with Ultron: good intend, bad result.
    Also, have you forgotten that Steve lost his love in the film? That Bucky now is the only thing connecting him to his past? Of course Steve wants to protect him at all costs. And with "He's my friend" Rogers tries to tell Tony exactly this: that he has to protect Bucky. Not that Tony is not his friend, as some think.
    It also enrages me that some people think that beating Tony was easy to Steve, that he wouldn't feel guilty about it. This is the guy that thought himself guilty of Bucky's 'death' and for Lagos. I can't imagine how someone would think Cap wouldn't regret hurting Tony.
    I love Steve and I love Tony. It pains me to see fans misunderstanding them so much. They all made mistakes, as they are only human, but they are both good people, which some fans unfortunately forget.

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    1. parsnip (Guest) on Chapter 1 Tue 07 Feb 2017 11:39AM UTC

      Turned into an essay. :)
      Tony isn't perfect. I don't think Tony trusts Secretary Ross. It's more like Tony couldn't not sign the Accords. Tony is the public face and owner of Stark Industries and presumably has a position on the SI's Board of Directors. If he hadn't signed, even though Tony's not the CEO anymore, it would've reflected badly on Stark Industries and caused problems internationally for SI. There would've been boycotts, protests outside of SI facilities, the SI stock price going down, etc.

      MCU writers have never said how many countries Stark Industries operates in and how many people work there. Considering the R&D department (it can't just be Tony), the September Foundation, PR, finance department, legal department, factory workers, contractors, translators, payroll, marketing, security, human resources, admin, janitors, etc., Stark Industries (and subsidiaries SI presumably owns) employs over hundred thousand people. All of them depend on SI for their livelihood. SI (and therefore Pepper) would've been forced to deal with the political and economic consequences to keep SI afloat. With layoffs, pay cuts, and factory closures, on and on. SI's Board of Directors would've gotten together and voted Tony off the board and locked him out of SI for the best interests of the company and its employees...which is what they did at Stane's urging during Iron Man 1. The Board of Directors probably hasn't changed that much since then.

      This isn't even getting into the fact that the Sovokia Accords were probably in the works for years. Something like that doesn't pop up overnight with no news coverage. Was Steve so focused on finding Bucky and destroying Hydra that he wasn't paying any attention to the news? He does have an alarmingly narrow focus whenever Bucky is in the picture.

      I think the reason people think Steve doesn't feel guilty about Lagos is that he basically patted Wanda on head and said it's not your fault all of those people died. Like, um, what? She's not a kid, she's in her twenties. Sure the explosion isn't Wanda's fault, but that she obviously hasn't trained her powers enough with containing explosions makes it hers. It's Steve's too, since he's the team leader and he should know her capabilities. It's like he tried to talk her out of it, like all of those deaths were just collateral damage and she should just expect it and accept it because it's going to happen again. Are these the actions of a friend?

      If Steve had the time to call and get Clint, Wanda, and Scott to Germany, and Steve really wanted Tony to know about Bucky being innocent of the UN bombing, why he didn't he use Sharon as his messenger? They were obviously in contact, since she brought his shield and Sam's wings to the airport. With that kiss, it looks like Steve's already replaced Peggy with Sharon. Which is weird and kind of creepy, either is Peggy easy enough for Steve to replace or Sharon decided Steve was okay to date now since her aunt died a few days ago? Are these the actions of a friend?

      Steve and Bucky knew that Zemo knew Bucky's trigger words because he used them before, but they went there anyway. It's not like Zemo could've forgotten them so quickly. He could've said the trigger words over the Hydra base's PA system, had Bucky kill Steve first, and then had Bucky kill Tony and anyone else whenever they showed up. Are these the actions of a friend?

      It doesn't seem like Steve feels guilty about Tony is that he walked away. Like Tony was nothing to him. Anything could have happened to Tony since Steve left him behind injured, in a suit with no power, in a Hydra base, in Siberia. No else knew that he went there. Tony had no way to communicate for help or walk for help. And then he sent awful non-apology /I'm sorry that my actions hurt you. someday you'll get over it. call me then./ letter to Tony. Are these the actions of a friend?

      (And if he really wanted to kill Bucky and Steve, Tony would've done the same thing that he did to the Ten Rings terrorists in Iron Man 1, he would have used the missiles that are in every Iron Man suit.)

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      1. Ana (Anafandom) on Chapter 1 Tue 07 Feb 2017 11:46AM UTC

        Wonderful answer, thanks. I absolutely agree with everything you said. :)

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      2. Kohumi on Chapter 1 Tue 07 Feb 2017 12:49PM UTC

        Well, Tony doesn't seem to care how his decisions affect SI. He shut down weapons manufacturing because he knew it was the right thing. He fought with Council for Iron Man because he knew it was the right thing. He threw a party and became drunk because he wanted it. And he signed the Accords because he thought that was the right thing. I understand him, and I support the idea that superheros should have supervision, but this idea needs to be further developed.
        I don't think the Accords were announced on television. Or Tony/Natasha would have heard of it and brought it up with the other Avengers.
        Steve tried to help Wanda the best he could. Yes, that incident was partly his fault, partly Wanda's, for the most part - Rumlow's. And when the Avengers fight, together, there are always victims. Wanda needed to understand this and also the fact that it didn't make the Avengers worthless and meaningless.
        Steve didn't have enough evidence of Bucky's innocence, not for Ross. The kiss... yes, it was very awkward and inappropriate. I don't know why it was in the film, considering that it's not likely to lead to a relationship.
        Yes, this is a big plothole. Most likely Steve and Bucky didn't have time to try anything else. They, along with maybe Wanda and Clint, were the only ones that could defeat the Soldiers. (except Tony, but they were on opposite side and didn't know weather Tony would believe them and help them). I also think that it is possible Wanda was recruited specifically to help if Bucky became WS again. And Clint was probably recruited to help with the other Soldiers.
        Bukcy was seriously injured too. And he didn't have anyone else than Steve. Judging by the fact that Tony got out alive and mostly whole he managed to contact someone. And the letter IS an apology. It is a peace offering as well. Steve said that he still cared about Tony, that he was sorry, offered his motives and help. What more could he write in a letter? I think that Tony cut all other ways of reaching him, so he had to resort to that.
        If Tony used the missiles he would probably bury himself as well. And he could forget in his fury about the missiles.
        I'm not saying that Steve was entirely right. But he wasn't entirely wrong either.

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        1. parsnip (Guest) on Chapter 1 Tue 07 Feb 2017 03:31PM UTC

          This video is MCU canon for CACW: https://youtu.be/iWB8kO-MYa4 It's an outsider's point of view on what happened in Lagos. Towards the end of the video that the Sokovia Accords are mentioned.

          In IM1, Tony said this: "[...] I saw that I had become part of a system that is comfortable with zero accountability. [...] I had my eyes opened. I came to realize that I had more to offer this world than just making things that blow up. And that is why, effective immediately, I am shutting down the weapons manufacturing division of Stark Industries." (Source: imdb.com/title/tt0371746/quotes?item=qt0478033 ) Tony does care. He's been for accountability for years, and UN oversight with the Sokovia Accords is that. And SHIELD isn't around. (Now if Tony was making weapons for the Avengers in MCU canon, like he does so often in fanon stories, then part of the above quote is a lie.)

          In IM2, Tony was dying. He knew it for weeks, maybe even months. It was his birthday. Natasha was there long enough that Pepper got suspicious of her behavior, so maybe a couple of weeks. And right before Tony went to the party had this brief exchange with Natasha:
          Tony Stark: Can I ask you something personal? If this was the last birthday party you were going to have, what would you do?
          Natalie Rushman: I would do whatever I wanted to do, with whomever I wanted to do it with. (Source: imdb.com/title/tt1228705/quotes?item=qt1199057 )
          Only after that disastrous party did SHIELD offer Tony any help. Not before. How manipulative. Waiting until Tony was desperate. No wonder he doesn't trust Fury.

          Bucky lost a mechanical arm. An injury. He didn't have Steve throw his metal shield down close full speed into his chest while on the ground like Tony. That could have easily cracked and/or broken Tony's ribs or worse, especially considering his chest is his weak spot. The first time I saw CACW, I thought that Steve had just beheaded Tony.

          This is Steve's letter: imdb.com/title/tt3498820/quotes?item=qt2904481
          "Tony, I'm glad you're back at the compound. I don't like the idea of you rattling around a mansion by yourself. We all need family. The Avengers are yours, maybe more so than mine." Where are the Avengers? Steve, Clint, Sam, Wanda, and Lang are on the run. Bucky is in cryo. T'Challa and Spiderman aren't Avengers, both went home. Bruce is in the wind. Natasha probably is too. So who is with Tony? Rhodes and probably Vision, so two out of seven Avengers are with Tony. I don't see how Steve sees the Avengers as Tony's with just basic math.

          "I've been on my own since I was 18. I never really fit in anywhere, even in the army. My faith's in people, I guess. Individuals." So he doesn't fit anywhere? Why? His anger issues back in the day? Constant hero worship now? *shrugs* Having faith in people is nice, I suppose.

          "And I'm happy to say that, for the most part, they haven't let me down. Which is why I can't let them down either." This seems a backhanded way to say he is disappointed Tony's choices. And he doesn't have any faith that Tony will make the right ones in future. Rude.

          "Locks can be replaced, but maybe they shouldn't. I know I hurt you, Tony. I guess I thought by not telling you about your parents I was sparing you, but I can see now that I was really sparing myself, and I'm sorry. Hopefully one day you can understand." This is the 'I'm sorry that my secret got out. I forgot that you have feelings like other people. Someday you'll get over my lie of omission when it's plot important' bit.

          "I wish we agreed on the Accords, I really do. I know you're doing what you believe in, and that's all any of us can do. That's all any of us should... So no matter what, I promise you, if you need us - if you need me - I'll be there." [Tony looks at a flip phone Steve sent him] Here's a few placating lines. So Steve might agree about the Accords in future, but only if Tony isn't a part of it? With the final expectant line is for Tony to know that he has to the one to call Steve, and Tony has to say 'I'm sorry' before Steve's, and the other Avengers, are needed enough.

          So how is this letter a genuine apology? I don't think I'm reading it wrong.

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          1. Lavanyalabelle on Chapter 1 Tue 07 Feb 2017 09:09PM UTC

            Sick burn! Wow, I didn't think Team Cap stans were so obviously blind. But then again, we learn something new everyday.

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          2. garfan (Guest) on Chapter 1 Thu 27 Apr 2017 09:35PM UTC

            I think you are reading it wrong. Team cap consisted of Cap, Bucky, Sam, Wanda, Hawkeye and Scott Lang. Bucky Sam and Scott were not Avengers. Hawkeye had retired. The only Avenger on his side was Wanda, so he wasn't really thinking of his team as a bunch of the Avengers. maybe he thinks Bruce will be back or that Thor will be back and stick with Steve.

            And his final line was his way of saying "Call me next time there's a Chitauri invasion and people are ignoring politics and we'll help."

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            1. Dannstare on Chapter 1 Fri 30 Jun 2017 02:19PM UTC

              Umm... At the end of AoU Sam IS an avenger, so obviously he was one in CW; Clint had retired, but he was part of the original bunch that was so called 'family', and Natasha 'backstabbing' Romanoff is there too.

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      4. colander2 (Guest) on Chapter 1 Thu 09 Feb 2017 07:14AM UTC

        Ok this is complete bullcrap. The Sokovia Accords were probably in the works for year? And Steve wasn't paying attention to the news? Did you actually just type that? When the Sokovia Accords are placed in front of the Avengers, it's the first time they come to know of it and have a discussion about it. So to conclude from the movie that Stev is the only one to whom the Accords were news is just your own ridiculous Steve bashing headcanon.

        "Sure the explosion isn't Wanda's fault, but that she obviously hasn't trained her powers enough with containing explosions makes it hers."
        So...the explosion isn't Wanda's fault...but it is? Nice logic. Also, you get that even an actual bomb disposal squad couldn't have done anything at that point right? That by throwing the bomb away from people in that market Wanda probably saved a lot of lives. You blaming Wanda for the bomb going off instead of...you know...Rumlow is literally like you blaming a bomb disposal squad for being unable to stop a terrorsist's bomb going off.

        But again lets just look at Steve's part in all this. He says "This job... we try to save as many people as we can. Sometimes that doesn't mean everybody. But if we can't find a way to live with that, next time... maybe nobody gets saved." This very plainly and simply reads to me as - your job is to save people. Sometimes you won't be able to save everyone. But if you let that guilt swamp you and paralyse you into inaction, into completely giving up on your job, even the people you could have saved will die. He is literally saying "your feelings of guilt are less important than the lives of the people who depend on us." That what you got from this was him devaluing the people who died as 'collateral damage' just shows the lengths to which you will go to to twist everything Steve does and says into something sinister and evil.

        Why didn't Steve tell Tony that Bucky was innocent? Because Tony wouldn't have believed him (to be fair why should he have?) Steve and Sam decided to take Bucky's word for it (yes these are actions of a good friend) and follow up on his claim of the five other soldiers. Tony doesn't believe a word of what Steve says to him in the airport. He goes to Siberia on FRIDAY's words, not Steve's. So Steve and Sam were in fact correct in their belief that Tony wouldn't believe them. In fact they also took into consideration that because he had signed the Accords, approaching Tony would force him into an awkward position and so they refrained. That is a level of consideration which to me is commendable.

        Steve and Sharon. "Steve's already replaced Peggy with Sharon". I..actually don't know where to begin with this one. Already?? Steve has been in the 21st century for about 4-5 years now, Peggy has been in an old-age home for all that time where Steve visited her often. So...again. No. He has grieved for a very long time. Since he woke up in the 21st century to realise that even though she wasn't dead yet he'd still lost his chance to be with her. So no he isn't disrespecting Peggy. You judging him for moving on at all is what is actually disrespectful to the trauma and loss he has suffered.

        Why was Bucky there at the Hydra base? You realize that the plan was that all of TeamCap would be go to the Hydra base? That when TeamIronman showed up to capture them, then it was decided that everyone else would take one for the team and make sure at least Steve and Bucky got to Siberia? So as per the original plan the rest of them would be there to stop him if Bucky got triggered. And it was crucial that Bucky went to Siberia because he was the only one with any intel about that base. I don't know about whether these are 'actions of a friend' but they are definitely actions of a person who has at least two brain cells to rub together.

        Steve left Tony injured in a suit with no power in Siberia. Ok? And? What was he supposed to do exactly with the guy who was trying to...you know...murder Bucky? Take him along with them so he could try to murder Bucky some more? Honestly what the fuck. You get that Tony is injured only because he's trying to straight up commit murder and the people he's trying to murder object to this? They need to get away from him. So they do.

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        1. colander2 (Guest) on Chapter 1 Thu 09 Feb 2017 08:06AM UTC

          Since you Tony Stark Stans seem to warp reality to suit your own headcanons, the Russo brothers even spelled it out for you. Tony was trying to murder Bucky. Steve was trying to disarm Tony and nothing more. This was actually evident to most of us non-stans who saw the movie with a rational mind. But obviously you didn't so eeven the directors have explicitly said so. So the fact that you're still harping about how terrible a human being Steve is for breaking the source powering Tony's weaponized armour when actually Steve did the only thing he could possibly have to immobilize and incapacitate Tony without seriously injuring him is actually hilarious because man are you reaching. Tony is trying to kill but Steve deserves shit because what if while he was defending Bucky's life from Tony, Tony's ribs got broken? Ok then.

          "This is the 'I'm sorry that my secret got out. I forgot that you have feelings like other people. Someday you'll get over my lie of omission when it's plot important' bit." God you really are reaching. he literally says "I am sorry I lied, I hope you can understand that I ma sorry and forgive me". Where they fuck are you getting all this "you'll get over it when it's important to the plot" crap from?

          "So Steve might agree about the Accords in future, but only if Tony isn't a part of it? With the final expectant line is for Tony to know that he has to the one to call Steve, and Tony has to say 'I'm sorry' before Steve's, and the other Avengers, are needed enough."
          What?? No..Steve isn't saying he will agree on the accords. He is saying 'even though we are on opposite sides of the issue...I do understand your side of things...why you chose to sign." That is literally all he is saying. And no...Tony doesn't have to say sorry before Steve...and he can't say sorry before Steve because Steve already fucking said sorry before Tony. He is literally just saying that even after the estrangement, if Tony is in danger, he can turn to Steve if he wants. I'm really failing to see how this is anything but a mature response to the conflict. Oh and by the way...Tony absolutely does need to say sorry for his murder rampage.

          Honestly, all the crap that you have charged Steve with is based on a deliberate misreading and twisting of all his words and actions to the point where you actually are reaching with most of your so called grievances.

          Add to that, you're deliberately downplaying all the shit that Tony did wrong to show him in a better light than he actually was in the movie. Yes Tony did in fact try to murder Bucky. Don't give me crap about IM1 to justify your denial. The people who directed the movie are saying so. But I guess your headcanon has priority over actual fucking canon? And also doesn't the fact that Tony did nothing about the people locked up illegally in the Raft (and yes that was absolutely illegal detention) make him A Bad Friend? After all, he had a hand in their capture. Are these the actions of a friend? (Oh look two can play this game) And it doesn't matter why Tony signed the Accords - his own guilt, SI or whatever. Point is, it was still an ill-thought out move evidenced by the fact that he himself broke the very accords he signed to go to Siberia.

          Tl;DR: Your entire list of the things that make Steve a Horrible Human Being and a Bad Friend are so very flimsy that only a Tony Stark stan would be able to get through it without cringing. These are just excuses to bash on him in order to make your fave look better. As for your shameless attempts to downplay Tony's own very grave errors, again no one except a stan is going to buy it. But then again you Tony Stark stans have turned denial into an art form so no wonder.

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          1. RedKross on Chapter 1 Thu 16 Feb 2017 06:58AM UTC

            So this has been a while but I'll just say that if the directors have to tell the viewer what's going on, then they did a bad job of directing things.
            How would Tony even know what Steve was doing? Steve may have started out by trying to target the gauntlets and the boots to disable his flight and primary weapon. But he didn't keep it to that for long. Yes, considering that A) He hit the ARC reactor, an item that is probably quite durable and heavy. That would be smashed into a rather weak chest. B) Ut left him stranded there for how long? The movie doesn't mention it, but it would more than likely have been a day or two at least.

            I'll just skip the whole 'apology' letter because no matter how you dice it, it was a sucky letter.

            Again, If the directors have to spell out to a viewer what is going on, then they did a bad job. I'm not saying spell it out like a show made for toddlers. But seriously? Do we need to actually watch movies with the director's commentary to get the full story now? Though a fight scene is not the best place with these nuances, and when they are there it needs to be done RIGHT. If you're going to imply something in a fight scene it needs to be implied in a more specific way.
            Ah, the RAFT. You mean the place that was obviously owned by Ross. That Tony more than likely hadn't heard about, or if he had thought it defunct.
            The scene of him in the holding cells seems to imply that he thinks it was meant to be able to imprison the hulk.
            Didn't do anything? I think the fact that Steve even got to it was a sign that Tony was aiding them. Could he have gotten them out himself? More than likely, but then what? He'd tried keeping one of them at the Facility with a single guard. That hadn't worked out so well. How would Vision fare with four of them?

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          2. Avengers4eva (Guest) on Chapter 1 Sat 18 Feb 2017 09:03AM UTC

            Well, that's not true. Yiu know why? If tony wanted to kill Barnes he would have done it. Yiu seriously think that he could have just fired up his arc reactor and kill them? I mean come on it TONY STARK we are talking about even wakanda 's five star tech can't hold him back. He was reacting emotionally because he fucking saw his parents being murdered by his so called best friend's Best Friend, and his Best Friend didn't even bother telling him. Yes, Rogers had his reason, but the secret is not his not to tell. It's Tony's fucking right to know. Yiu all realise if Rogers told tony Siberia wouldn't even have happened? Tony only attacked Barnes because he couldn't handle all the information at that time. Yes he may be a genius but he's still humane and will definitely react humanly.
            And then he gets hit in the sternum by his FATHER's shield. Do you know how deep that betrayal will run? With your supposedly Best Friend betraying you TWICE?! I suppose you have mcan bee tasted that kind of betrayal before huh...that's why your blind to see.
            So you see the problem here IS Rogers. He's selfish. He doesn't realise that he shouldn't keep a secret that would be important to Tony. And he mourned the wrong way when his parents died, cos he thought that his parents died in a car crash painlessly, when in actual fact, they felt every single bit of pain before their deaths. It's just... I don't know why some Cap fans can't see the logic behind Tony's action, just because he isn't as 'nationalistic ' as Rogers or Barnes?! Well, even 'iconic national icons' have flaws, some greater than the other. So just...stop saying tony tried murdering Barnes.
            Oh and, Russo Bros are on Cap's side so obviously they try poising him hero. Speak about discriminicy...

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          3. Avengers4eva (Guest) on Chapter 1 Sat 18 Feb 2017 11:08AM UTC

            Well, that's not true. Yiu know why? If tony wanted to kill Barnes he would have done it. Yiu seriously think that he could have just fired up his arc reactor and kill them? I mean come on it TONY STARK we are talking about even wakanda 's five star tech can't hold him back. He was reacting emotionally because he fucking saw his parents being murdered by his so called best friend's Best Friend, and his Best Friend didn't even bother telling him. Yes, Rogers had his reason, but the secret is not his not to tell. It's Tony's fucking right to know. Yiu all realise if Rogers told tony Siberia wouldn't even have happened? Tony only attacked Barnes because he couldn't handle all the information at that time. Yes he may be a genius but he's still humane and will definitely react humanly.
            And then he gets hit in the sternum by his FATHER's shield. Do you know how deep that betrayal will run? With your supposedly Best Friend betraying you TWICE?! I suppose you have mcan bee tasted that kind of betrayal before huh...that's why your blind to see. (PS: It's not a fair fight. Two Super soldiers versus a person in a metal suit? Please).
            So you see the problem here IS with Rogers. He's selfish. He doesn't realise that he shouldn't keep a secret that would be important to Tony. And he mourned the wrong way when his parents died, cos he thought that his parents died in a car crash painlessly, when in actual fact, they felt every single bit of pain before their deaths. It's just... I don't know why some Cap fans can't see the logic behind Tony's action, just because he isn't as 'nationalistic ' as Rogers or Barnes?! Well, even 'iconic national icons' have flaws, some greater than the other. So just...stop saying tony tried murdering Barnes.
            Oh and, Russo Bros are on Cap's side so obviously they try poising him hero. Speak about discriminicy...

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          4. Ohtheburn (Guest) on Chapter 1 Sun 21 May 2017 03:06AM UTC

            Best thing I've read in a while, thank you so much! I could hug you right now!
            I love how those who are pro Team Iron Man take their interpretations of what happens in the movie as cannon; Hilarious

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    3. Ana (Anafandom) on Chapter 1 Tue 07 Feb 2017 11:48AM UTC

      I'll tell you what I told the first commenter: if you don't like these stories, don't read them (this one was clearly tagged). That way nobody gets upset. Have a nice day.

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    4. Account Deleted on Chapter 1 Mon 17 Apr 2017 04:03AM UTC

      1. If Steve had told Tony earlier, he wouldn't be learning about his parents murder by seeing it happen on video.
      2. Tony wasn't the only one who signed the Accords. Steve can't talk to Tony without an argument? He should've talked to Rhodey, Natasha, Vision, or T'Challa.
      3. I agree with you about Wanda. That situation was poorly managed by everybody involved, including the Captain, Tony and Wanda herself.
      4. I agree that Team Cap had no time to talk during the fight in Germany. Unfortunately for your argument, it takes more than 12 hours to get Wanda, fly to San Francisco, get Scott, and fly to Germany. They should've used that time to inform Team Accords about the situation.
      5. Just because Tony can speak civilly to Ross and work with him doesn't mean he trusts him.
      6. Yes, the events of the film have been horrific for Steve. And that can explain how he could beat someone he called friend until they were on the ground. What they don't justify is Steve leaving him in a suit that doesn't work with no communication with the outside world in an environment where the temperature is regularly well below freezing. Tony could very easily have died either from hypothermia or complications from the injuries he received at Steve and Bucky's hands.

      Steve does and should feel regret for hurting Tony. Just like Tony does and should feel regret for his role in creating Ultron.

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      1. OturanTheDarkOne on Chapter 1 Sat 14 Jan 2023 08:08PM UTC

        Tony's a businessman he has to work with people that he doesn't trust all the time.

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