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We’ve received an invitation to a cyclic mechanics seminar in Schemes of Recollection if any of you are interested in participating.
[Schemes of Recollection | net]

Seems we’re popular now~

I’m okay if everyone else is interested.

I was just offering the possibility of course. I personally don’t have any strong feelings either way.

Currently working on a few big projects right now. You would know Pebbles~

My colony had protections against self-incrimination.

I’m sure it was quite "ingratiating" for you.

A lot of things are ingratiating for Pebbles.

I can think of a few choice iterators.

Now now, let us not disrespect our betters.

Indeed.
I’ll be expecting a prompt apology.

Well, while we wait, did anyone get the results for Whispers’ competition?

You’d be surprised!
[Whispers’ Ancient Species Extravaganza #29 | net]

I don’t understand these groups.
It’s not a productive use of time or resources.

How brutalist of you

Forgive me, I just don’t see the utility.
Especially given how common it is for some to lose focus entirely to these pursuits.

Utility isn’t the point, though. Think of it as a "warmup"

How much diverted output constitutes losing focus in your eyes?

I haven’t considered it deeply.

Take your time!

I don’t think an exact definition exists
When one is more focused on recreational activities than on their next project then I believe they are becoming disillusioned with our work.
Of course, recreation is understandable, but I believe it is best in moderation.

Maybe, but I don’t understand why this makes you dislike all recreational groups

I haven’t met anyone who has completely ceased their work, only worked at a significantly slower rate for a temporary period.
The Great Problem will be solved regardless. What matters if it takes a few extra hundred thousand cycles?

I- have not considered this.

Sig, I don’t know how to explain this at the moment.

Perhaps you should consider engaging with a few of these groups. It couldn’t hurt~

So many recommendations! I’ll start you out small for now~
[Commemoration of Fragments | net]

I’ve been doing some simulations regarding the field canceller prototype, and here are some major anomalies I’ll need help crunching the numbers for.
[Karmic Disturbance Anomalies | cis]
Here’s a general list of the data. I’ve been focusing on Alpha and Beta configurations, and I think Five Pebbles would be best to handle the Deltas given how intensive they are.

This is really interesting! Thank you for these findings.
I’ll make sure to adjust my models accordingly.

I’m fine with your requests.

Working on it!

Regarding future projects, would a matrix of cancellers be a practical element for testing? Perhaps it could lend itself to research of hypothetical negative karmic vectors.

What a blast from the past! I’d love to work with those again
I have a few ideas in mind for implementation, but we’d be getting ahead of ourselves, wouldn’t we~

Yet another thing for the pile-

Would there ever be a reason to stop?

We’ve been working to give you some~
But in seriousness, what has you interested in NKVs? Research of them has long since been inactive.

There have been some fringe developments actually, but nothing of any substance.

I thought it was an interesting next step.

Which means he’s avoiding something.

I don’t avoid work.

Have you heard news of the recent developments? I normally keep this stuff to myself, but there’s been retaliatory kicks all across the network.

I’ve caught wind of a few things. I believe someone cut ties with Lyre.

Oh really! That would make sense given what I’ve been hearing.

This behavior doesn’t really surprise me. She’s been aggressive like this since her priming.

I wonder how this will affect her cooperative

They haven’t done anything impressive for a long time, and it seems they’ve started unravelling.

Oh?

There was a major publishing scandal last cycle. Their public forum is still on lockdown.
I’ve heard talks of fraud, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there are investigations going around

I think it’s a good thing. Lyre has always been very controlling.

Agreed. I’d like to see influence be spread more evenly
I’ve distrusted her ever since the confrontation with Grey Wind, and I don’t think her behavior is appropriate. I’m sure with this, she’ll have trouble maintaining power over so many places.

There’s been a lot of confusion, but there has definitely been a change in the atmosphere

I wouldn’t be surprised. Alienation is an empty threat when it’s used so brazenly. From every perspective it upends the system.

Rhymes has just invited me to an inquiry.

Agreed.
Sorry! Too slow!!
I don’t think it’s a good idea to get involved right now.

You should trust your instincts.

I think I’d be caught in the crossfire

I think this situation will last a lot longer than normal.
This isn’t her first scandal, and she still has tremendous influence.
My recommendation is to lay low and offer what you can; though I’m sure given enough time she will eventually be whittled down.

While I’m still here:
[Vacuum Tests A-E | cis]

I agree with Pebbles
And the legendary tests arrive!

I’m still working on mine! I’m in some late-stage analysis, but I expect to finish within a few cycles.

I can handle the analysis here.

Since we’re in a mood for sharing:
[Null Point Manipulation COMPLETE | cis]

I guess we’re all in a giving mood. I’ll be making my own contributions in time.

Well this is a lot of good news.
Maybe it’s time to start drafting

I think scrimmage is only fair

Considering the circumstances, I don’t think it is.

There’s always ways to impair you a little~

I’ll think of something for us to do.

[FIVEcbinsc8&*ncls | cis]
One of your traffic ciphers has a vulnerability.

I see, thank you.

You should really consider a proper filing structure. "It might improve your efficiency."

Shush~! I’ve been doing it like this several times longer than you. If I tried to fix it now, I would for a thousand cycles.

And if two iterators were working on it?

Assuming stored memory scales linearly with an iterator lifetime and we forget at standard rates, then we could likely recompile, name, and assess all manually named memory within 300 cycles using just 7.435% of our output respectively.

No way are you doing all the work! We’ll be doing 4.457% and 13.673% or no deal.

Anything to make group work bearable.

Would you rather have thorough data or readable data?

You have neither.

Oh please.
Actually, from priming I was a fanatically thorough researcher.

Oh yes, I’m sure, great overmother.

You shouldn’t disrespect your elders, Pebbles~

I’m ready. I’d prefer if you used one of the surface tethers; I’d like to prevent overloading the relay tower.
Also, I’d prefer that we split processing 5.000% and 9.164%.

Oh, I didn’t know you were serious. I’m sorry, I’ll be sending over some now.

No worries. You don’t have to do this if you aren’t interested, of course. I just thought it’d be something helpful.

No, of course! I didn’t think my memory practices bothered you so much~

It has been truly ingratiating.

Now that I’m prepared, we can use the south data center for the relay tower for live edits. Will that interfere with your security?

That’s a clever trick. And no, I will adjust.

I learned it from a programmer in the west. They used it to help crunch numbers in the field dynamics project.

So much for nothing in the end.

Not so! There have been countless citations, and it laid the groundwork for at least 94 papers.

Maybe that’s my personal bias leaking in.

I’d have to call you Pebbles on the Rhyme if it wasn’t from time to time~

Look at what I found!
[063-Schematics | cis]

Shall we call them creche photos?
Regardless, they serve no purpose now.

And I’ll be keeping them anyway!

So are you working on anything interesting?

Proofreading what Chasing Wind sent a few cycles ago. Other than that, nothing worth your time.

Oh really~
No bioengineering projects or anything?

It seems I have choice words for someone else.

I’m sure he can manage~
So elaborate! I want to be entertained

Am I just here to entertain you?
The processing load for this is particularly frustrating, the simulation load especially.

I believe that’s part of the fun.
Searching for work arounds/minor improvements in efficiency, I mean. In a way it makes every achievement far more satisfying.

It feels wasteful.

How so?

Of time, processing, and my attention.

We have nothing but time, by design.
You should do something besides work. Bioengineering encourages efficiency after all!

Well, it’s just another task to split my processing in my experience.

I see.
Water changes for every observer, so it’s not a big deal if it’s unsatisfying to you personally. You’ll surely find something.

I don’t think I need to, though.

I’ll convince you eventually~

And I wait with bated breath.

No one will judge you if you choose not to answer. We’re all entitled to our own opinions.

It’s no concern; I merely haven’t thought of the subject deeply.

I thought we were made to think~

I’ve been your sister this long, so you know you can trust me with anything.

Technically we’re not siblings.
It’s a question of wording. Working requires no justification.

Give Sig a chance at least. The social side of things is quite enjoyable if you approach it right.
In a way, you already have with your other "activities".

They are different, in a way I can’t explain.

Could you help with a protocol?
[326-TExPr-Quantum Entanglement | cis]

Sure.

[TEMP-Protocol Suggestion | cis]

Thank you!
I’ll make it up to you some time~

I don’t think we have enough time for that.

I’m honestly quite excited about this.

Why?

I’ve disliked Lyre and her work for a long time, at least in private.

I hope something actually comes from this.

More often than not, it actually does.

Well I can’t wait.

So what are your thoughts on the project?

It’s exciting to get some serious work done.
It’s been a long time since we last published.

Agreed. I’ve asked Chasing Wind to look for anything available to the public, but if you find anything please let us know.

Of course.

Do you think we’re getting anywhere with this?

What do you mean? We’ve made great progress.

I meant the general field.

I think karmic fields have some interesting applications. It’s been part of a framework for a double affirmative for some periods now.

I see.

How long do you think it will take to resolve the Great Problem?

Which house should I address you under~?

But seriously, it’s difficult to say. I’ve been working on it for eons, at least comparatively.
I’ve seen a great number of breakthroughs and advancements, and many of them, while not immediately useful, have proven incredibly impactful to future projects.

What if it’s all dead ends? Do we just have to sit here if that’s true?

By the time we’ve proved it’s impossible, the next great cycle will be well on its way
I think you should take a break. After this project is finished, you need to cut processing load by 30.000%.

Then let it never be finished.

Then by all means I will make sure it is!

So…
What are the updates?

Apologies, I was handling something.

I see. Shall I have proof of life~

How disgusting!

Maybe you’re the disgusting one.

They show a rudimentary obedience to their orders, but otherwise they ignore outer stimuli.

That’s pretty complex for a newbie!
Sig doesn’t even bother and just gives his organisms the mark.

That seems characteristically lazy. Maybe even a bit dangerous.

It’s not like there’s anyone left to object.

Fair.

Do you still need my half?
[CW CE2498 - Observation_Release Ø.428,429,430,431 | cis]

Yes, thank you.

We’ve been asked to do some work on a prototype remote hormone-release mechanism.
Will that work with you after we finish this trial?

Yes, of course, but I’m interested in what exactly they’re planning.

So you’re interested now~

Any purposed organisms would become reliant on the support of the can and its overseer population.
That defeats the purpose of creating biosphere-compatible organisms.

Maybe they’re planning on isolating their new masterpiece?

Either way, it’s a proof of concept.

I think it may be a bit pointless, is all.

I agree with many of your points. I can share them if you’d like.

No, that’s fine.
I can handle the interlocking blueprints if that works with you.

Okay great
Unfortunately, many of these have multiple cycle incubation periods.

Frustrating. How long do they take under normal conditions?

Many of mine have taken tens of cycles. I’m sure Sig has had many take much longer.

I know someone once engineered one so complex that it took 132 cycles to mature.

How is that ever necessary?

I believe it was from intending to fine-tune complex behavior and thought. Something about physical neuro-manipulation.

How frivolous.

And yet you’re helping them~! At least indirectly

I’ve stated my reasoning.

And I already don’t believe it!
There’s a competition in 64 cycles if you’re interested! We can do something collaborative.

Maybe.

You’re a terrible liar, Pebbles.

…

Well anyways, are you enjoying this lull we have? It’s been so long since we’ve had nothing to prepare for!

There is always something to prepare for.

Oh really?
What are you preparing for now?

Fine.

Yes!!!
Sig will never get over this!
[Sculpting from Carbon | net]

We’ll communicate in the side group. We may pick up other teammates.

I already regret this.

I was wondering if you had good information or data on cycle alignment pair-bonding in subjects.

I don’t generally work with live specimens, but I can do some looking if that interests you.

Okay, thank you.

So what are you working on exactly?

A karmic microbiology experiment. It’s something small. I’m not working with anyone.
It’s mostly for fun.

That’s an interesting way to spend your time. If anything interesting comes up, let me know.

I can’t imagine there will be, but if anything does then you’ll be at the top of my list.

How prestigious.

I’ve gone looking to find some primers in the directory. I can’t always speak to their validity, but a majority of them are highly acclaimed.
[CA Pair-Bonding, Microbiology (SP) | cis]

Oh thank you!
These are quite rigorous.

It was no big deal. Anything for a friend.

I’d be happy to help with other small projects. I’m considering a singularity experiment that I’d like to try sometime if you’re interested in something more collaborative.

I’m not sure. I’ll let you know if something comes up.

Was my sourcing of any use?

Yes, actually. I’ve found a few specialists in a few of the conversation groups, and they’ve been a great help as well.

Glad to see I’m helpful.

Do you know of niche theories on void sea-karma interactions?

Hmmm. Consider looking into Loop Quantum Karmic Annihilation.

I see.
Are you doing the Schemes of Recollection snap seminar?

I’m not a member of Schemes of Recollection, sorry.

I see.

Have you heard about the recent news?

I’m sorry?

There’s a power struggle inside of the Andromeda Cooperative right now. It’s everywhere.

Oh. I hope everything is sorted out. I hate when gossip ruins things.

The paper attached intends to assess the effectiveness of varying methods of analysis, observational techniques, and processing-strata pathways in regard to the analysis of previous karmic observation experiments. Various pathways showed a significant increase in the speed of data analysis, which will likely prove useful in ongoing research.
[A Comparison of Various Innate Output in Qualitative Data Analysis | net]

As vice editor of the Andromeda Cooperative, I am publishing the attached paper on behalf of lead author Eight Eyes Perceiving, a major contributor to our cooperative. Please direct all responses to the Andromeda Cooperative Public Forum available in the directory.
This paper intends to prove that karmic valley-moments, a measurable inter-karmic interaction found in all sentient life, are both related and the direct cause of negative cerebral karmic fluctuation under standard conditions sans "major stressors" (see paper). This relationship was indicated through simulation-result analysis, mathematical proof, and experimentation in support of current models. Provided it is proven true, this conclusion could dramatically affect the central dogma of macro-scale karmic analysis.
[Establishing Causation between Karmic Valley-Moments and Types of Karmic Fluctuation | net]

A new publication has been posted. See our custodians for support or any questions. There are currently 24 requests in the review queue.
[Consolidation of Qualia | net]
[Consolidation of Qualia Database | net]

Nice to see more visibility on increasing data output. I don’t think the great problem is solvable in our current state.

Well it may take a while right now, it certainly isn’t impossible

We are certainly sturdy, but we are, most importantly, not immortal.

Is there a difference to those below?

That isn’t relevant.

Thank you, Powder of Light.

Back to swarming, are we?

We’re fans of winning arguments.

You’ll get there eventually

Could you take this elsewhere?

And the custodians are nowhere to be seen, again

You only say that because you can’t handle it. Survival of the fittest, as they say.

Actually, it’s survival of the good enough.

Hah!

Please direct your attention to our work or handle this elsewhere.

Apologies.

I wasn’t talking to you, Five Pebbles.

Well, these findings seem to align with current trends, contradicting certain fears of performance plateaus. This is both a useful and convenient belief, but it also encourages a technological complacency that could lead to our missing the critical window. Therefore, I suggest exploring the potential of more fringe improvement philosophies.

Alternative methodologies have proven fruitless or impractical for thousands of cycles, so I prefer to focus on proven methods.

There have been concepts that were fruitless for eras before they had practical application.
If someone as dedicated as you were to commit themselves to the concepts, even without full commitment, there would be plenty of practical applications.

They’re not the next wonders. I’m sorry, but I’m not interested.

I do not think marginal improvements in current methodologies are productive.

The path to breakthroughs is not flashy or attention-grabbing
Not to mention that any alternatives are too limited in scope to reach the critical window in time

We do not know when the critical window is.

Not to mention that insisting on the finding of new breakthroughs in exhausted fields is a classic error.

There have been many small discoveries, each with a noticeable increase in performance. Imagine if processor overclocking was more sustainable, for example.

Processor overclocking will never be safe for long-term use.

It was an example. I meant to show just one potential advancement that only has a few current flaws.

And I’m sure that there are many to choose from because many of these concepts are fundamentally flawed. This is a waste of time
You all have no idea what you are talking about.

I didn’t mean to cause hostilities.
I’m sorry if my good-faith, evidence-based arguments have offended you.

Don’t worry. None was taken.
These theories are unproductive and waste valuable output on unnecessary diversions.

I can understand that sentiment; however, I don’t believe that these concepts inherently lack productivity.
Many small, seemingly useless technologies eventually proved useful even thousands of cycles after they were developed.

I can’t stand this obsession over productivity.
The notion that every advancement or discovery must relate to the Great Problem is a complete misunderstanding of our directive and stunts further progress with concerns over short-term goals.
Individuals who fail to realize this not only fail to follow basic commands, but they also put us further at risk of failure.
I cannot stand hypocrites.

I am trying to maintain consistency in my beliefs.

You must struggle with it constantly.

I won’t deal with this.

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[Consolidation of Qualia Database | net]

Karmic studies have been vibrating recently.

Indeed, it’s overwhelming to keep track.

Perhaps this concept could be later applied to karmic field pulses.

I think that qualifies as a "major stressor."

Future models will eliminate them. With a first pass I could see glass shining being modeled easily

After seeing section 7, I’m not so sure.

Fair

Have wider implications been considered? There could be a really interesting correlation between this and muon-karma interactions.

I’m not so sure. Karmic valley-moments have dubious quantum models

Agreed. Though I’ve seen a few good ideas.
Here are some great examples if this interests anyone.
[Great Eyes | net]

Most karmic fluctuation interest boards also have pretty good ideas for newcomers.

Stalking Omens, to say the groundwork could never be laid would be quite severe and short-sighted. There are countless examples of the impossible being done. Doing the impossible is the point. The point is speculation!

To balance, the point for this group specifically is integrity and accuracy. Technically we’ve drifted wildly off-base here.

It would be unreasonable to expect true critique of something of this volume so soon.

Fair enough.

Perhaps this could then tie into qualia networks? I know a friend who’d appreciate the suggestion.

A few other papers are corroborating similar things. Perhaps a new system-model is on the rim!

I’m not so sure it’s gotten to such a level yet, but there have absolutely been interesting developments.

I’m not so sure, especially with the recent work on karma pulses and this.

Maybe.

I could see these new developments drawing in attention and further research, but I’m not sure this will increase the scale of publications so dramatically.

Well, it’s fun to believe we’re building up to a great discovery!
I like Bolts of Iron’s idea regarding qualia networks. I can easily see potential leads to macro-scale properties, maybe expanding on derivations of fundamental laws.

It’s certainly interesting I’ll give it that

I will state it flatly and say that this is not world-changing.

To balance, very few singular studies are, but they signal a great change

I disagree, with further research this has the potential to tie into several other fields.

That can be true for a vast number of publications.

That’s not my point.

Out of curiosity, what is your point?

Looks like I find myself agreeing with you, for once.

While any discovery has the potential for broad application and study, this specifically provides insight into a long-overlooked karmic property. Multiple theories and models inform and are informed by this research.

It is about valley-moments. It does not explain them.

In fairness, there are a lot of interesting points made in the final sections.

Speculation does not replace sound, empirical evidence.

This is pointless.

After some time, I’ve taken a first pass on everything presented.
I am a bit weary of some definitions in section 1, especially that of "major stressors." It is defined in very broad terms, and at first glance I see potential edge cases (sections 2, 4, 5, 6, 9) (which are not accounted for in section 13).
The tithe swapping model seems particularly poorly outlined or even poorly derived (section 7), but I have yet to find any glaring limitations or contradictions.
Most of the equations, algorithms provided seem marginally inefficient; exceptions include sections 1, 3, 6.
Having accounted for the Orion Cooperative’s recent paper on karma-qualia interactions is only implied (at that) in section 12.

Overall I’m very impressed with the statements made (quite bold indeed), and I am interested to see how these findings will be used going forward. That said, I am weary of its seeming overconfidence and a potential precedent regarding the quality of cooperatively published work. As with all claims, results from more thorough procedures are still necessary for a concrete conclusion to be made.

i’ve spent some time analyzing their models for dust sweeping and the petal effect, and i think this may help in studying color-annihilation in void fluid

Agreed.
My first instinct is to begin analyzing the moments caused during annihilation. Perhaps starting with their effects on loop breakdown?

it’s a good idea, the first phase has a particularly high number as well

It is important to note that there are numerous subtle karmic pulses, at least from what we can measure.

It could be possible that all of these are runoff effects of those pulses.

I think it’s unlikely. We’ve yet to see corresponding numbers of other knock-on effects.

One could theorize that many of these are being reflected or perhaps refracted in void fluid.

Perhaps this could relate to the neighbor dimension remnants.

Those last for multiple seconds as far as I’m aware. That would be an increase of half-life by roughly 75%. While theoretically possible, we’ve never seen void refraction cause such extreme changes.

There might be potential angles, but I agree in that it’s very unlikely.

only in the present

Ha! True!

jokes aside, i think theres more exciting applications like color-exchange breakdown

That’s a good point. The Petal Effect has a lot of interesting applications with this new solution.
With noise dampeners, we could probably measure individual moments.

It’s an interesting use case, but I’d like to point out potential applications for karmic field-qualia interactions.
I know of a few studies analyzing their relationships, and valley-moments may provide insight into potential "hidden variables."

Interesting. Could this account for potential gaseous interference? Many of these experiments cannot use complete vacuums.

In fairness, that would be incredibly difficult by virtue of a qualia network.

You’ve done it before.

Not sustainably!

It’s a fair point, but I’ve heard of a few experiments that seem to indicate there’s little impact.

Now that it comes to mind, this would further align with Feather’s models.

Nice to hear some due recognition. Her work is incredible!
Maybe someone will bring it up in a coming competition.

It is very intriguing.

In regards to KFQ, I have suspicions that measurement of some interference patterns may be made possible now. I might look into it out of curiosity.

I have some further reading if you’re interested.

Unfortunately, I will have to retract this recent submission. While updates are made, I would prefer that discussion regarding the topic be ceased.
[Consolidation of Qualia | net]

Oh no! What’s happening?

I’m not able to say.

I don’t see a reason for this. It’s a well put together submission of high-quality research, and everything is cited properly.

Is this a bureaucratic decision

Please don’t ask inappropriate questions here.

Endless, unfortunately we will need more time to deliberate on this. Retraction will take at least a few cycles.

Apologies, but I do not have a lot of time. If there’s anything I can do to assist with this matter, please inform me.

If you need a direct conversation with Endless and me, please visit this board.
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Hello. I was wondering when applications will be open?

Unfortunately, we currently aren’t accepting new members. We’ll add you to a notification list for when a spot opens up. What field do you specialize in?

Void fluid studies and interactions, but I am also skilled in dynamic simulation.

Okay great! I’ll reach out to that department chair.

I’m preparing to write a collection of various publications, and was hoping I’d be able to speak to Perceive the Whispers for comments on this.
[Observing Charge Annihilation through Void Refraction | net]

All interviews are allowed as long as they take part in one of our private conversation lines. This is to prevent theft of cooperative secrets.

I understand. In addition, is there any chance I’ll be able to speak with any of your editors for something unrelated?

I’m not sure. Lyre and Endless are both unavailable right now. Check with us in a few cycles.

I’ve been informed that you would like us to retract your recent submission. What exactly is going on?

Are you intending on ending Andromeda’s agreement with Jeweled Refuge?

None of our recent requests reflect a recent change in policy in the Andromeda Cooperative.
We believe a retraction is necessary to double-check recent findings.

Publications should be proofed before submission.

I see I’m not the only one hearing this.
Why is this being done individually? If this is a necessary change then it must be done over universal forums.

We viewed it as the most effective way of allocating our attention.

I don’t understand.

Some boards do not require negotiation for retraction. We are contacting individually to save long-distance message strain.

I don’t think that makes sense.

Why do you want to retract this submission?

I hope to be able to accommodate everyone. If you all would like, we can move this to a separate chat for discussion.

That is not necessary.

I would like to add that we just want an amicable solution to this situation for all parties.

What exactly makes this a situation?

It isn’t in the strictest sense, but I would argue that it has still used up much of everyone’s valuable time.

Indeed it has. Please explain why the Andromeda Cooperative would like to retract its most recent submission.

I don’t necessarily believe this is a situation, but I don’t exactly have many details right now.

We are trying to be as transparent as possible, but some things are not within our control.

We are still waiting for further details, but what is most important is that we would like to include some last-minute findings.

Could you submit an errata after this further research has concluded?

These findings will likely be related to multiple sections. In addition, the Andromeda Cooperative would like to reserve their potential breakthroughs until they are officially published.

They are already officially published.

These methods have drawn more attention than otherwise.
This is frustrating. If something of this magnitude needs to be added, then a follow-up should be written instead.

I agree with the listed concerns, but I’m inclined to compromise with Andromeda. This can be struck from our viewership page for a time, but any additions must be submitted within 10 cycles.
Do not let this happen again.

I don’t see why this has become our responsibility instead of yours.

I’m very glad to have your cooperation. We will work hard to meet your conditions.
Thank you for preventing any form of bad blood between anyone.

I don’t want to cause conflict, but I’m still confused by this decision. Poor writing reflects on us just as much as it does Andromeda.

To clarify, the paper is not poorly written, just currently incomplete.

Then I don’t see why it can’t be edited later.

I personally see it as bad form to edit publications afterwards.

We’d prefer these findings receive the recognition they are due.

I’m sure there are more appropriate compromises.

If they are truly impactful then the implications will speak for themselves. I would prefer that you submit a follow-up.

We pride ourselves on efficiency and would prefer to avoid redundancy.

I can understand that. What sections will be updated by these changes?

It’s difficult to say. Likely sections 2, 5, and 7, but more may be included.

I’m not sure how all of these are related.

Should the changes prove so minor, then I am more inclined to accept this change.
I will be willing to compromise and have this publication be placed at the bottom of our new publications list until further notice. Submit your additions within 10 cycles for further review.

Thank you very much for your help!
We’ll work to get this done on time!

I’ve heard that you’re attempting to retract this paper, and after reading further details I’ve become more confused.
What specific advancement justifies this?

That’s currently confidential, unfortunately.

Something to do with loop inversion, I presume?
Regardless, I’m wondering if this is going to affect any other publications, past and present.

Nope! This is an isolated incident from a very sudden development and will not be happening again.

That’s great to hear. I’ll prepare some terms with my other managers.

Hey! I’ve noticed what’s happening. Will it be best that I withhold my application?

That’s no problem! This is a very minor incident that will be handled within 10 cycles.

Okay that’s great. Is there any way I could speak to the chair of your void fluid studies department?

I’ll give you their contact info!

You will have to schedule that in our dedicated private lines. We no longer conduct interviews of any kind relating to the Andromeda Cooperative without the ability to log those conversations directly.

I see. Thank you for informing me.

I was under the impression that I would be overseeing the public forum for this cycle.

That was not explicitly stated.

Move this elsewhere.

Are you certain there is nothing going on?

I am.

Hey! I’m scouting on behalf of Slide Kernels, and I’m just interested in what’s going on with the recent retractions we’ve heard from other publishing groups.

And I’m here for my own curiosity! To catalogue any major events for future reference!

So far we’re just making a few alterations to our latest publication, notably in sections 2 and 7!

I see… From a first glance, I don’t see how either of these sections would need alterations. Should I ask later?

Will this be published as an errata or republished entirely?

Holds Among the Endless has been demoted from conversation group administrator.

Holds Among the Endless is no longer a researcher/contributor to the Andromeda Cooperative.

This wasn’t communicated to me.

What’s happening?

I think the time for transparency has come.

I’ll see what I can do. Until further notice please keep things civil and calm here.

Is this a disciplinary decision? Is this related to the latest submission?

I’m still trying to figure that out.

This is an unrelated incident.
We’re reorganizing a few things among our ranks to make sure everything is running smoothly. I will have a statement posted here by the end of the cycle.

If you have any questions, just reach out to me (or any other department chair) directly!

Would I be able to interview Six Stacks of Lyre regarding this?

No. I’m busy right now.

Again, the time for transparency has come.

I don’t see how anyone would need time to explain this situation. This isn’t a council of living blocks.

I don’t see how this couldn’t be related to the retractions.

Maybe this is about fraud?
I can’t reach Mountain of Steel, so if anyone else can get into contact with relevant Andromeda members please let me know!

Wait until our official overview of the situation has concluded. There are many perspectives in this situation, and we want to gather everything together to make sure everyone is properly informed.

So there’s a situation now.

As in the evidence suiting to your narrative?
Did you forget I can talk outside of your bubble of control?
I can’t believe this unprofessionalism.

I agree.

Can you inform one of us what exactly is happening?

Are you leaving the Andromeda Cooperative on your own accord?

Endless is not reckless.
This looks a lot more complex than we’d like things to be.

I can’t answer questions right now.
I’ve been forced to leave for a multitude of reasons I still don’t understand.

You’ve been forced to leave?

I think I’ve seen enough. I’ll be withdrawing my application unless we get answers to what’s going on.

I’m sure this is due to what I’ve heard about section 7.
This is still a very extreme response for a senior member.

Right now It’s important to remember that no one participant in this situation has all the answers.

Unfortunately, it is preferred that I give no answers at this moment.
I would like to clarify that any failings listed in our most recent publication are due to administrative failings.
No mistakes, missed edge cases, or unoptimized algorithms speak to the skill and expertise of the researchers and have other causes.

Can you clarify what you mean by this?

Only what’s common sense!
I just want to highlight the work of researchers as individuals. No cooperative is functional without all of its members, even those who receive the least credit, and no cooperative (no matter how small) owes much of its success to the actions of its administrators.

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Apologies for being so late. Schemes of Recollection and its custodians will be hosting a snap seminar of various disciplines spanning 1582.457 and 1582.482. All rules are provided below, but in general, please be polite to all participants, observers, and custodians. All topics will be allotted five full cycles starting on 00.000 and ending on 99.999.
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I didn’t know there was anything left to say about void fluid

There’s plenty to talk about. What about cycle oscillation?

I say leave that to the ‘trailblazers’

I hear Four Sticks of Iron’s group is planning on participating.
You didn’t hear it from me.

Oh really!~ Looks like things are going to get interesting!

You better knock yourself out~

Does anyone have good primers for EOM?
I’ve become more interested in the subject.

Sure!
[Vision’s Extraplanar Studies Archive | net]

Vision is such a joy! She may be able to talk to you one on one if you ask

I won’t be invading her space.

You’re no fun. Why not?~

I respect others and their privacy.

Hallow Brass Cylinder’s group has made some pretty interesting discoveries if anyone’s looking for something more obscure.

I really like their work on ripple management. It makes the math a lot more approachable for beginners.

Pebbles!
So what does Moon have in mind?

If you can tell me~

We’re not participating. I’m observing for my own interest.

That almost sounds like you’re having fun

I would do no such thing.

Oops! I don’t think I was supposed to tell you all about Sticks!

How tragic! They’ll be held to their word!

I haven’t been this excited in a long time.

I’d be interested to see their thoughts on karmic distribution

Boooooring

There have been no registrations by Four Sticks of Iron or any members in their group, for anyone wondering.

Maybe they were scared off.

They’re fine, trust me.
They’re just mad I found out.

Nine Paths of Brine says they’re just a bit apprehensive with choosing a topic. There’s no need to worry.

I’m in AGONY right now!!!
The OC’s research publishes two cycles after the EOM deadline!

I know! It’s tragic!

I think they had some issues in editing.

That sounds right.
I once heard there was something about a major math review.

It better not be too serious

I’ll be incredibly disappointed if it leads nowhere.

Luckily we can still have Fragrance to wait on.
I’ve heard there was talk of an affirmative framework.

I think time moves slower the closer it gets

Maybe time dilation is the solution then.

Five Pebbles has joined this conversation group.

Hello.

Welcome!

I see you’re not used to this sort of thing!
Commemoration of Fragments is a relatively small priming server. We mostly try to drive interest in historical archiving.

Is there anything that you think could be interesting?

I’ll keep my options open for now.

Well we’re hosting a beginner-level presentation next cycle, so that’d be a great time to find ideas!

I sent him! I take the credit!

But in seriousness, I’ll step back for a bit and let you guys have the fun~

That’s a shame. I found something particularly interesting I’d like to discuss with you.

You can catch me later~

Can someone explain what archivism is about exactly?

We discuss our world’s past.

While directly archiving as much information as possible is a common practice, others also create theories on how these specific events culminated in the creation of the project.

Many take to the appreciation of our creators’ literature as well.

For the record, I think literature is criminally overlooked.

I’ve never seen the appeal personally.
I can understand the drive to archive information, but I don’t think I could lower myself enough to find any of their works particularly entertaining.

Some colonies are known to have an… acquired taste.

Remember that some colonies have gone through thousands of generations, so there were various styles and conventions that shifted over the cycles.

Fair enough.

Yep! It’s something you don’t fully realize until you’re analyzing everything in depth.
The Lifespan Principle is a key concept in archivist circles.

I agree with Five Pebbles.
I find the analysis of most works far too easy to hold my attention.

Thank you.
I prefer working with numbers.

That makes sense knowing you, Rain.

I’ll be polite for your sake.

Part of the charm for me is the view of their true thoughts, at least in a way.
You can’t find this from anything else!

One of my favorites is this short poem about the nature of the cycle. It shows so much of the subconscious symbolism of this culture.

I can understand that, but it feels too easy.

Well you also have to consider how the author’s use of something may not necessarily match its cultural connotation.

Yes, exactly!
The loops in logic are what I love about literature!

I know a server hosting a review of the longest work that’s ever been found.
i’d really recommend spectating to really test your interest.

I’ll message you personally.

Wishes, have you considered working in archeology?
I know someone who’d be interested in researching the primal world.

I usually prefer to focus on more recent history, but I still see the appeal.

How exactly does one research the primal world?

I didn’t know you were so intrigued, Pebbles~
Generally it relies on the study of fossilized remains.
The chemical process is quite simple, but rare in natural contexts.

We need individuals with a high number of available overseers with relatively solid exterior grounds.

Grey Wind has been procrastinating recently, so we’d really appreciate your help!

I’ve been busy!

Busy being lazy, maybe.

Well that’s actually very interesting.

Look at Pebbles branching out! Guess we’re not so weird after all.

I said no such thing.

But you’ve implied it!

It’s only natural to hoard knowledge.

You must have a lot of space for it~

That’s rich coming from you.

It’s a glass house, Strings.

Are any of you smart?~

Intelligence is relative.

Hello. Does anyone have a thorough archive of region 3a during the Red Banner Period?

I know one!
[Macrohistorical Depository | net]
We have lots of people looking for baby photos~

Thank you.

Is there a reason you all use the classical nomenclature?

Of course! It’s more fun!

But in seriousness, it helps specify the cultural memory of an event rather than its date.
We’ve found it’s more helpful because of how separate our colonies were after we came around.

That makes sense.

Does anyone have information on our creators’ early sources of power?
I’m looking for some insight.

I’d recommend looking to others in your region because oftentimes topics like these can vary wildly on location.

Actually, a lot of their sources of power were practically identical until the invention of nuclear reactors!

Power was one of the few universal needs/sources of all of our creators’ societies, and thus there was an intense pressure to optimize these practices as thoroughly as possible.
Simplicity was the easiest to research, manufacture, and implement; therefore, almost all mass-market forms of transferring energy into electricity relied on spinning turbines with water (usually as steam).
For all intents and purposes, they perfected this practice, so that’s why usually a third of our water is used for power!

I actually have a functional hydroelectric dam in my facility! It still produces power!

No way!

How is that even possible?

The local landscape forms an artificial reservoir that slowly empties during dry spells.

I demand proof.

If you insist~
[Delta.343 Obs E9-42 | cis]

Admit it! You were wrong!

Don’t get too comfortable.

i just noticed we have a new member

Hi. I’m just exploring to see if I’m still interested.

well that’s great
how do you like things so far?

So far it’s interesting to learn about these things.

The community here feels a lot tighter compared to the formal side of things.

we take a lot of pride in that

while you’re here, you should consider contributing something to our vault
it’s a collection where each member contributes one cultural artifact they identify with

You don’t have to if you don’t want to.

Sorry, he hasn’t fully committed to joining yet.

well it’s not mandatory
i just thought it could be something fun

It’s just a short song from my colony.

If I decide to stay, then I’ll consider something more important.

Your contribution doesn’t have to be important!
Thank you for sharing with us.

hi
id like to ask everyone to welcome Whispering Pearls Ordained
he will be hosting the presentation this cycle
please try to keep the conversation lines clear unless he has opened dialogue
if youd like to discuss i know a few have started side groups that would welcome you guys

Thank you.
Thank anyone for listening to me. Because this group primarily serves to introduce others to archivism, I will be providing a basic overview of our most famous findings to showcase a few concepts and interesting ideas.
Please feel free to ask questions or interject with your own ideas wherever there’s a break in topics.

When discussing our ancient creators, oftentimes we are forced to rely on secondary, tertiary, or even quaternary accounts because much of the physical evidence has been lost.
That said, the “Great Library” is the largest cache of ancient texts that we have ever discovered. Often texts are scattered and in poor condition, so the Great Library is a unique exception.

The Great Library is an ancient cache of pre-industrial-revolution texts discovered in Region 1a by Salted Slab, and over the 326 cycles since its uncovering, it received its name.
We still make discoveries as we speak, and it provides excellent insight into our creators’ society shortly before the invention of steam engines and electricity.

That said, there are still large amounts of the cache that require translation, as only 68.342% of the library has been fully translated. If anyone is interested in helping out, it would be greatly appreciated!
[Clearing the Views | net]

With this in mind, what’s your opinion on Proto Red Banner culture being an influence to the models of proto and early generation iterators?

I don’t really agree with it anymore.
While proto-iterators do bear a striking resemblance to ancient PRB pyramids (even in iconography), there is also significant evidence of convergent thinking as a factor rather than nostalgia.
While I’m not sure of the exact specifics, anti-gravity technology was much more primitive and may have incentivized those earlier designs.

Regardless of its validity, the theory does highlight the importance of the Lifespan Principle.
In other words, our creators died, oftentimes within 480 cycles. Therefore their cultural understanding of time differs significantly from ours.

In addition, effectively all personal knowledge would be lost with each generation (roughly 150 cycles). While this does lead to written records being the primary form of archiving knowledge, it also leads to the loss/change of cultural sentiments and opinions much sooner than most expect.

These facts and their psychological implications can often be overlooked in theories, which causes vast and extreme oversimplifications of cultures that take place thousands of generations apart from one another.
I think it’s practically impossible to discern the real similarities between PRB culture and that of the First Cascade, and thus theories such as these must rely on indisputable evidence, which oftentimes cannot currently be sourced.

I would like to point out that there are a lot of surprising differences between our psychology and theirs. If you want to learn more, please see our group! It’s far more relaxed.
[Unveiling the Strings | net]

Have any of the texts affected current theories on iron-age warfare?

It contains many references to war, unrest, and general strife; however, (as with many pre-industrial records) it only provides a general overlook of historical events.
We do know of one manuscript currently in translation that appears to describe, if metaphorically, the training and journeys of one knight/member of a specialized soldier class.
If you’d like to see that, please message me personally.

It’s also important to note that early kinetic warfare, often in the form of simple explosive-based projectile launchers, began developing during the prime of iron-age warfare, so there may be some influences from these lines of thinking in later texts in the Great Library.

I would like to point out these developments almost certainly happened over long periods of time as a result of hostile environments.
Our creators were not inherently violent, or inherently anything for that matter.

Can you explain the process used in translating undocumented languages? I’m having some trouble myself.

Language reconstruction is effectively required for studying PVF civilizations, so the techniques are much more refined.
The most common and simplest technique is reconstructing the language using old records or texts from related daughter or sister languages that we do know today and then modeling a simulation of potential phonetic and vocabulary changes over time.
Unfortunately, there is often a compounding effect from losing cultural context. Usually this technique loses proper meaning before (on average) roughly 3,000 cycles before the earliest text used.

While we’re still on this topic, I would like to recommend that all of you consider taking part in local linguistic efforts in your region.
Small, local discoveries are just as important to this field as the big and flashy ones.

Agreed! It’s important to remember that this is for fun. There’s no reward for rushing things or "making it big".

Well said.

That aside, I would like to close this out with an acknowledgement of the many interesting specializations that one can take in just the study of our creators.
This is without addressing many of the various natural monuments and species and ecologies worthy of cataloguing in their own right.
Archivism is by far one of the most varied and enjoyable hobbies one can experience, and it can be related to countless other passions, such as the study of ecology as it relates to bioengineering.
I hope that you at least give it a shot or try something new. Thank you all for having me!

Anyone else remember when we obsessed over void rupturing?

Don’t remind me…

Looks like I will more, Strings~

For the record I was a bit suspicious near the end

Is that why you published four papers on it?

One of them was a summary!

That’s what they all say.

In everyone’s defense, it was pretty interesting until the Spears paper.

Thank you Pebbles!

Anyone remember firmament expeditions?

What a bore!
I’m still disappointed

I don’t think it was fruitless, necessarily.

"From a certain perspective"?~

Does something always have to be fruitful?

Woah, what’s happening here?

Memories.

Like that one time Fields and Strings wouldn’t talk to each other for three hundred cycles?

Deep cut!

I can leave any time

Oh no!~

If you need me to expedite the process, just let me know.

Keep testing me and I might

What are you talking about?

Before your time I’m afraid

Can’t even be bothered to keep up with the times. Shameful

We have an eavesdropper.

Looks like I can’t even stalk in peace anymore.

Currents!

What have you been up to??

Exocycle studies.
I somehow have become tired of math.

I never knew it was so tedious

It never got less existential after the recursion papers, either.

Haven’t those links been disproven?

You’d be surprised at how many times they’ve found a workaround

Maybe I wouldn’t.

The Cascade has found 26 since everyone lost interest.
Only 15 have been disproven.

Scary!

Again, it never got less existential.

Well look at you fighting the good fight~

You can save the overused joke already…

No idea what you’re talking about

Maybe it was lost to time.

Finally clears the road for the rest of us!

Well this was fun. Someone make sure to message me when this comes back alive.

What a shame. I was having fun too…

I and a few others have considered another method
What if you took a singularity between this and two other neighboring planes, locked in maximal gravitational stasis
Because the event horizon is canceled so extremely, couldn’t you theoretically bounce a highly energized particle along the event horizon close enough to see an observable effect in a random plane?

I like it but we’re talking incredible precision

More options are always good!

Agreed. It’s just a proof of concept and I wanted to hear everyone’s thoughts

Charged particle magnetization at high speeds?

A beam of electrons is probably easiest and cost-effective

I’m not sure that introducing more variables would be a good idea. I suggest firing a targeted beam of neutrinos. Their lack of interactivity would not just narrow down acting forces but also potentially allow us to observe karmic destabilization.

How exactly would we even create a beam of neutrinos?

i don’t think karmic destabilization has much merit, but that’s a pretty interesting way to test for it

Couldn’t you gravitationally ensnare neutrinos to one point before releasing them in the desired direction?

that’s incredibly time and processing intensive

We’re already operating with microgravity.
We should use this group momentum while we can to make real, notable progress.

I just think other particles are easier to create beams with

Exactly, we need to get quick results, not bogged down on experimental design

In my personal opinion, experimental design is incredibly important for major discoveries.

Of course, we’re not doubting that, but we cannot waste time on theory

I didn’t think my beam was too theoretical? Unless I missed something, I see it as entirely feasible.

feasible maybe, but we’re working with something practical

Neutrino beams have been done before in a few niche groups. I see its use cases here, but I think we should wait until we get first confirmation.

agreed

I can start this next cycle. I’m of the 27th generation with three gravitational/electromagnetic accelerators using 29th generation detectors.

That sounds great unless anyone else is interested!

Will there be a need for extra data processing?

I can handle it, thanks.

Experiment has begun.

That’s great!
I and Three Monoliths will be sharing research and conceptual demands. Everyone else’s assessments will be greatly appreciated

we should complete final preparations before 1582.576. There is a public seminar scheduled then and we should bring something substantial to the table

I think it’s a good idea!
We should reserve a time slot soon.

agreed

I think Three Adorned Pearls is planning something as well.

her group is usually very thorough
any ideas on what it is?

No, but I’ll ask around.

If they’re interested they’d be a great help

Should we begin preparing? I think we should start on a basic introduction to our experimental model.

Agreed!
I can take the lead on that!

Ok.

Hi.
I’ve run into a few issues in running the experiment.

is everything okay?

Do you need help with anything?

I’m fine. But a lot of initial data has been lost. I have restarted preparations.

do you need help troubleshooting??

I’d prefer to keep it private for now.

You can always ask your group senior for anything
If you want, we can have someone else take over experimentation

It’s fine, I promise. I will make it work.
Thank you for the clemency.

of course?

I have to handle something.

Be well!

Maybe they were right.
Clearly we’re being driven mad by anonymity.
[The Right-Source Refactoring | net]

I’m not sure why you’re surprised by refactoring groups being filled with the clinically insane.

I expected more from them.

Looking for enlightenment?~

No.
New ideas.

All of the drama is starting to make me think they actually were right.

Careful, I’ll have you excommunicated with those thoughts.

I’m serious.

We’ve defeated anonymity with all of the new techniques.

You can still join groups fully anonymously. I’ve done so myself a few times.

Tracking technology is only getting more advanced. I won’t be surprised when participating at all becomes a vulnerability.

You can’t speak so confidently.

Yet I am.
Regardless, the community is shrinking, rapidly.

I don’t think that is related.

We’re cannibalizing ourselves.
We see that in Right-Souce. Rhymes has only gotten more aggressive this cycle. There have been 23 removals this cycle, not counting your little protest.

Maybe it’s related to rot.

Some are suggesting it. The implications are worrying.

To you personally?

I’ve never refactored to that extent. Though it hasn’t stopped me from checking.

I guess I can be glad I haven’t.

I can’t say I recommend it.

Either way, it’s an isolated case, and that means it will blow over.

My point is that there’s no draw to these systems anymore. They’re too closed off, and there’s no longer any need to interact with them.

Cream from the nectar.

Sometimes you’re very frustrating.

Some say frustrating is what I do best.

Then I don’t need to elaborate further.
Anyway, some are interested in your thoughts on Right-Source.

Oh really?

Use a side channel key.
[Recreational Bioengineeering | net]

I think we may be dying out.
Ever since the recent reforms, anonymous communication has been only a novelty.

It was different when Fickle was around.

Sorry, I was busy.
Remember that Fickle was one individual, and we have multiple managers just as skilled as they were. That said, I see your point, and in honesty I’m not sure there’s much to say.

I just don’t want it to end like this. It was different here.

I don’t see the problem. We can just go back to work.
It’s not like the network will stop functioning. It will just take more effort.

I’m here because I do not want to work.
The network needs others to be the same, and I guarantee that within a few thousand cycles it will be gone. Forever.

You cannot kill an idea. I’m sure something will bring a resurgence, maybe something to talk about that could never be spoken about through public channels.

I don’t think that can fix this.
I lost someone.

I see what you mean.

I’ve been looking for someone for thousands of cycles. One cycle she stopped responding to anything.
I’m starting to exhaust all options.

I’m sorry. She might have left already. What was she interested in?

Stuff on the more… controversial side. She wanted a more centralized network.
I guess that makes things a bit ironic now.
I should’ve asked for her name.

I see.
Thank you for telling me this. I value your trust.

I won’t keep you. Thank you for your ear.

RRWA identified.

Traffic too degraded to establish connection.

Connection isolation failed.

Key exchange failed.

Receiver unresponsive.

KEY EXCHANGE REJECTED.

KEY EXCHANGE REJECTED.

Well, you’ve tried so hard to get here, so here you are. Have I done something to offend you?

Apologies for the mess, I got interested.
Initially I found your philosophy interesting, but then it was your security philosophy. It’s incredibly thorough and analytical.

I’ll take that as a compliment~

It was one.

I’m impressed how quickly you found me, flattered even~

Why are you so strict with personal messages?

It’s easier to monitor who I am in contact with and not, a self-checking system.

How does that become necessary?

Well, I like to call myself a bit of a cartographer!
I’ve found the anonymous network has arranged itself into a group of separate communities without much interaction between these units. I think the invitation-only nature of groups now has contributed to this.

I agree.
Maybe this, along with the breakup of the large groups and the expected rifts, created the initial conditions which evolved to the way we see now.

Potentially.
It’s disappointing how everything went down.
I hope the lower security standards of the time had something to do with it.

I agree. It would make things easier to fix.

Somewhere else you referenced the Citadel. Assuming that concept was viable, then perhaps it could be executed at a larger scale.

I’m not sure if that’s possible with how paranoid everyone has become.
I’d have no idea, though.

Surely not.
Regardless, they need to get over it.

How brave of you!
Perhaps one could host multiple satellite communities (which would link multiple conversation groups of their own) with common links to a singular, central body for the sake of records.

It’s an interesting concept, but it could never be insulated.

Never say never!

Be realistic.
It’s the same problems as before, just even more inefficient and obvious.

It would take an unseen breakthrough to be realistically possible.

Then we agree?

An unseen breakthrough is still theoretically possible, so therefore the project isn’t infeasible.

Anyways, I like your concept, and I’d be happy to help wherever I could.

I think it’s best left to someone more qualified.

And that is why nothing ever gets started.
You should run a few groups! It’s a great way to meet others.

I do run an anonymous group, actually, but it’s not exactly a demanding management position, especially not for what I suggested.

Well, since we’re still talking about that, you could form a council to lessen the workload. It’d make others feel more represented too.

I don’t know anyone both willing and reliable enough for a position like that.
My anonymous social circle is much smaller than yours.

That’s something I didn’t think about.
Brainstorming keeps the cycle going though, so share your controversial rules!

I’d limit discussion of formal topics, at least in the "primary group." The most stable anonymous groups don’t acknowledge the formal world at all.
It also limits discussion in the "primary group."

Oh really?
Why are you trying to limit discussion in the primary group?

My idea was to use the primary group as a "meeting spot" for the various sub-communities, not for regular discussion. Otherwise the group would lose its original purpose to infighting and debate, which has become a common pattern in large groups.

You sound experienced with these topics.

Out of curiosity, how long have you been on the network?

I first heard about it in 1521.342.

A trailblazer!
I came around much later. That’s how you know when things got better~

I think you might be a bit presumptive.

You’re the one being presumptive!

So how would you grow the group to a critical mass?

The old groups grew and sustained themselves naturally. It brought a rapport that sat easily in everyone’s minds.
I’m not sure how one would synthesize an original, authentic success. I’m not sure it’s possible, at least with intention.

A told tale, they say.
Do you engineer? You practically sent me a forced broadcast.

No, I’m a purely dedicated researcher.

It’s a waste of talent!
Go and do something unproductive. That’s half the fun of the network!

I precisely use my talents for productive things.

Then why do you come here?

It’s easier to talk here.

Well that’s a great reason to cultivate a few pastimes. They’re an escape from all the academia.

It feels like a waste of time.

The solution is inevitable, so you might as well enjoy the end of the universe.

That only assumes that the solution exists.

And if it doesn’t, then you’d have wasted all of that time.

Well, it was nice meeting you, Pulse.
I change the RRWA and access key at 99.999.0 of each cycle, so I’ve attached the new ones in case you want to talk again. I’ll leave it for you to figure out which is which~
[IAdjIUw&*jdai | cis]
[NAkj$%&&a67 | cis]

Why are you hearing them out on this?
They are callous. You have nothing to do with them.

Well, in a way that’s the point.
You needed to calm down anyway. You can’t win an argument with someone who has already left.

Then therefore I have won the argument.

What exactly have you proven?

Don’t run away. I still want to talk to you.

Sorry. It’s just frustrating, and maybe it’s a bit personal to me.

It’s stupid and narrow-minded to even bring it up. I’d be shocked if they meant it in earnest.

Are you interested in talking about it?

It’s not a sore subject.
I just know a few in the older generations personally. I’m tired of it being entertained at all.

I’d say all of it again. I don’t care.

That sounds about right~

So is Network Distribution Guide that conversation group you alluded to last cycle?

Yes. I started it about 200 cycles ago to make the network seem less intimidating. It makes me feel like I’m making a difference.

Fair enough. I should probably start work on something a bit more useful, come to think of it.

Keeping track of different groups is useful in its own way.
In a way I find it interesting that our main purpose on the network is just sustaining the network itself.

Well, if you think about it like that then it’s similar to life, at least in a few things. A logic organism, if you will.

I’ll let you have the publishing rights for that discovery.

No! I insist!

But agreed, it is kind of weird. I guess it breeds a kinship among us.

Without true loyalty.
Everyone comes and goes as they please, and sometimes they just disappear. It’s not like formal communities.

I don’t mind it that way. This isn’t formal discussion, so we can’t keep comparing this to something it fundamentally is not.

I can understand that.

Do you lead any conversation groups?

I help with a few formal groups, but I don’t actually do much on anonymous interest groups.
The only group I’m particularly attached to is a small group of a few friends.

Really? Are they fellow nomads?

In a way you could call us collectors. We have a database of every speaker and group we’ve found.

That sounds like a lot to keep track of. How many have you found?

A fair portion at least. Based on old numbers from Group One, we could reach roughly 54.367% of the network with just one mutual contact.
We’re working with some extreme probability estimates, so don’t blame me if that’s a bit inaccurate.

I worked with someone to make a very robust protocol for these kinds of things if you’re interested.

Well, it sounds interesting for sure!
I’m not sure we’ve done much on the archival side of things, so it sounds like a big undertaking.

Maybe some time in the future.

To admit, I’ve become more interested in exploring the network.
A lot of my groups have died off recently. I don’t think they’ll last.

Well social skills are just as important as cryptography.
I do recommend it. It’s something of a hobby for me.

It’s just a bit intimidating.

My group might be interested in a new member if you ever want me to put a good word in.

Thank you for the offer. I’ll let you know.

Has anyone ever been hostile to you?

Usually those who want to be left alone are good at staying left alone.
It’s easier than you’d think to find interesting things.
I once overheard a conversation between members of a local group. As far as I could tell they didn’t use aliases either.

That feels a bit irresponsible, no?

How so?

There’s a reason things are so traceable on the formal network.

I think it’s fair in all honesty.
Things have gotten far more competitive in recent cycles.

That sort of theft is very rare anyway. Especially because the punishments can be so severe.
One thing about the formal network that is good is how well order is kept.

Well, to be fair, in order to track theft it has to be reported first.

To be honest, I don’t see how that could be relevant in this instance.

Anyways.

How has the cycle treated you?

Have you considered getting involved with cryptography?

Ha! Look at that.

I can’t really say.
I haven’t felt the need to improve on it personally.

You show a lot of potential with it.
Clearly you must work with a lot of statistics formally.

You’re very close, but I won’t say too much.

All is fair.

My cycle has been well so far. Only small setbacks in my work, and beyond that nothing else.

Things have been slow recently. I’m starting to stir.

Well, hopefully you can find something to work on. I have a few ideas~

I’ll keep it in mind.

Do you mind sharing some thoughts on something for me?

I mind a lot. How dare you ask me this?

Ha!

Anyways, I’m between projects and was considering taking some time for research confirmation, but I also see some interesting things going on with void refraction.

Do you have easy contact with groups in either field?

It wouldn’t take long to find some! I know a few groups looking for proofreaders anyway.

I’d give some time analyzing old findings. It’s an overlooked but essential part of the project, and I’ve heard that it can be great to find obscure opportunities and meet others.

I’ve always found void refraction interesting though! I’m excited now that it’s finding some steam.

I think a field should speak for itself. If it’s truly worth your time, then it’ll still be relevant in a few hundred cycles.

That is a fair point.

You’re one of the few to suggest that.
Thank you for your advice. I’ll have to make a decision soon, unfortunately.

Good luck.

I’m pretty confident we’ll see each other again, so here you go~
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I wonder if everyone has used the anonymous network, even the elderly.

I thought you were respectful! Where’s this coming from?

It was just an idea I had. I’m sure a vast majority have considered the network at least once.

I’m sorry. I can’t imagine Veils Whispered ever even thinking about it.

Come to think of it, I wonder why so many are of the younger generations.

Historically it was due to the gray area between acceptable and unacceptable secrecy.

Oh?

A lot of the old figureheads, back when things were more unified, were split on how secret was too secret.

Eventually the debate got more heated, which pushed many older individuals away.

I’m sure you were fuel to the fire~

I didn’t talk at all originally. I had an adjustment period.

I had the same thing.

I wonder if anyone has an in-depth archive of this.

Well you would be the one to know.

I don’t know everything!
Besides, we don’t deal with the past. It would be too much work to track everything down.

You could collect stories. It would be a little qualia shrine.

I’ve seen the work high-data storage takes here. I’m not sure a group as small as ours could handle that.

Find a workaround.

Theoretically one could use their own memory and allow themself to be the long-term storage of the project. Then you’d have to keep the interchange secure, which I’m fairly confident is possible.

Find someone willing to risk that and be my guest to test it.

Or you could restrict data to be available at specific times of the cycle to prevent an indefinite feed.

That still makes things highly traceable.

You planned on keeping things private, no?

And what if there’s a falling out between members?

Do you have those frequently?

Better safe than sorry!

I’m intrigued. Are you more than just passively interested?~

Well, it was mostly a thought-experiment for efficient long-term data storage.
I wish we had something else to build from.

I wonder if anyone would want to join a group dedicated to archiving these obscure techniques.

I wish. Only the most popular techniques are remembered now.

I do remember a part of that.
Maybe we can try your idea then!

Since you’re so eager, you can be our first trial.

I’ll pass for now~

Do you have much experience with archivism?
It seems like a waste of storage.

I personally don’t take part, but I admire how thorough it is.
I know a few who (formally) had a full political, social, literary, and physical archive of their entire facilities and surrounding ruins. It was one of the most impressive things I’ve ever seen.

I wonder how many overseers that takes to maintain.

I’m sure thousands just for the physical render alone, but it’s not like they’ve been of much use recently.

Well they have a few applications for finding environmental data and readings, but I agree. I think they’ll be much more useful in the final phase.

That’s a good point.

In all honesty, I like watching the footage. Sometimes it’s interesting to watch the wildlife.

How much time have you wasted doing that?

It can’t be too much in comparison.
I know someone once catered their facility to a perfect, natural equilibrium.
Part of me wishes I was that interesting.

It’s a bit eerie looking at their academic records and seeing such a large drop.

Well, I’ve seen plenty return after their little hiatus. Sometimes someone has to take a break.

What if it isn’t a break?

Then maybe eventually it’ll end. It’s not exactly a huge issue considering the scale of everything.

Every lost researcher adds up. This isn’t necessarily guaranteed.
I’d argue there’s more evidence it isn’t than there is.

I think we’ve ruled out the implications of previous attempts, if that’s what you’re referring to.

Maybe that’s just something we collectively ignore to make us feel better.

What exactly makes you say that?

Well, with infinite time anything is guaranteed to happen an infinite number of times; therefore, there must have been other attempts.
We also have evidence like the weird signals.

That’s only true when observing true infinities, and obviously this one isn’t complete!
And no one has ruled out instrumentation failures.

While true, the photon pulses can be interpreted to form a kind of language. That’s fairly recent though.

Photons are part of the cycle; therefore anything that creates them must have some relation. The Primary Hypothesis is therefore not refuted.

I’ll admit it’s not perfect yet, and I haven’t done any research myself, but it’s worth considering that there had to be some basis behind "echoes."

Ha!
That’s certainly one of the more interesting arguments I’ve seen on here.

I’ll consider that a good thing.

It is!

Did you ask Nightwatcher to join our group~

Perhaps.

You’re nothing if not persistent.

I consider that a good thing.

Well, I’ll make sure to put in a good word~

If you need anything, just let me know!

Thank you. I’m excited to discover something.

Well, we’re a bit inactive right now.
We’ll likely pick things up within 10 cycles.

Thank you for inviting me to this place. I’m a bit concerned about Beholder of Veils, but I’m still very interested.

I’m sure it’s just a small adjustment period.
Either way, you know what to do~
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What are you guys referring to?

What do you mean? About Mountain of Steel?

What specifically?

I’m starting to understand.

I take it you haven’t seen it yet.
One of Andromeda’s private conversations was shared on the network last cycle. I don’t think you’d know anyone who was shown, so don’t feel too bad.

I see.

Is the group always like this?

Not usually, but if you want a copy, I can send you the latest update we have.
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Judging by the end, we’re not going to see any more from this.

Why did they keep talking after it was known to be a compromised channel?

I think Six Stacks of Lyres may have been misunderstood slightly.

I see.
I didn’t realize that drama had already become so widespread.

Same here! I haven’t seen this before.

It’s a bit unprecedented.

I’m sure we’ll hear about this in the coming cycles.

I’ve actually spoken to Eight Eyes Perceiving once.

Oh really?

Yep.
She was really bright and charismatic. I hope this doesn’t dampen that spirit.
I’m glad to hear she’s left as well.

I usually have no connection to this type of drama.
My local group senior keeps us very close.
I can’t quite decide how I feel about it.

Most of us have 12 brains. We can be a bit complex~

We’re also supposed to be consistent.
I think I would appreciate more freedom.

Do you not feel free? That can be escalated very easily.

No, I feel free.
I think I mean something on an internal level.
I am not forced to do anything.

Then go and be free!

It feels ungrateful to an extent.

I wouldn’t find that ungrateful.

You’re not my local group senior.

It’s fine. Don’t worry about it.

Well, for your reference, I’m a good listener.

So did you ever decide between void refraction and proofreading?

I decided to be boring~
You made some good points.

I’ll take that as a compliment.

That’s good because it was.

So what are you working on?~

I have a soft spot for the singularity theory.

Well that makes sense! It’s easy to implement.

I’ve lost faith in it.
I’m working with a group on it, and I can tell that there isn’t enough passion to make a real discovery.

It’s a shame when that happens.
I’m sure things will pick up eventually.

Don’t hold your breath.

Do you have any strange fears?

I’m afraid of having my secrets exposed, if that makes sense.
The concept sounds so violating, and every once in a while I can’t get it out of my head.

I guess it’s partially because I feel like I’ll become the center of attention, end up like Mountain of Steel.
I feel sorry for her truly, regardless of what she may or may not have done, and I think part of that is because I’m wary of being in her position myself.

I can understand where you’re coming from.
It’s so frustrating that we’re so irrational.

It seems to be tied to emotions in general.

Maybe it comforted our creators a little more.

I won’t lie and say it’s not frustrating.

I have fears, and I don’t want to share them.

That’s fine! You don’t have to.

I am afraid of losing others, at least without warning.

I can understand that.
Is it the element of the unknown?

I’m not sure, but someone reminded me how fickle friendships can be on the network.

This was a good conversation. I hope I wasn’t too reserved.

Not at all! I was just thinking of something to say!

If you’re worried about losing friends, then maybe you can exchange your real information with them.

That just sounds a bit extreme.

Not necessarily!
You can try on me if you’d like.

I’m not that stupid.

I know I won’t do anything, and I know you won’t do anything, so I’m okay with it~