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Hello, So, I was re-reading this story, reminiscing since my current project is near finished and have found that this story has been dead for a while, like actually dead. I have no will to continue this relic of my high school years, and while I think the idea has some merit, I don't really want to continue it. As such I will be leaving this work up under its own psud as a memory of where I started, with all of the extra materials I came up with way back when incase anyone wants to take in my orphan. Should you want to continue this, please do, I look forward to reading it. Below is part of a Mr. Pidgeon chapter that I was writing before this story died, along with the other ideas that I had come up with.
Chapter 11 or Flight or Fight
Adrien was all for surprises, surprises were what made is life fun. Even if things always went his way he still enjoyed the moment of uncertainty beforehand. As he walked into his father’s office, mother’s hands over his eyes, he wondered what this surprise could be.
“He’s a bit skinny isn’t he Gabe?” A terse voice, not unlike his father’s but more disgruntled spoke.
“He’s always been like this and you know that Uriel.” His father and mother responded mechanically. That was a weird facet of his life, for whatever reason no matter how much he ate he tended to stay slim. He only showed his meal for a maximum of half an hour before it fell into the black hole that was Adrien Agreste’s stomach.
“Uncle! Why are you here?” Adrien asked, pulling his mother’s hands off his eyes.
“Uriel is saying with us until he can find a new studio, his old one burned down in an electric fire a couple days ago.” Gabriel said with a slightly strained smile.
“Yes, I seem to be having trouble finding new lodgings after my last ones went up in a plume of smoke,” Uriel responded, “Luckily, I keep my paintings and sculpture out of the studio and in a storage locker, but it’s still a large loss.”
“Don’t worry, if you sell some of your “masterpieces” you’ll be back in the green in no time.” Ariadne responded in a seemingly peppy way; she had always been the most optimistic of three Agreste adults.
Adrien gave a little gasp of recollection.
“I’ve been meaning to ask father, Professor Damocles asked that you and mother judge the Annual overnight competition in our design course later today. Maybe Uncle Uriel would like to judge as well.”
“Ah, Yes the school did contact us about that. I had Nathalie make time out of our schedules to be there, I thought it would be a good way to look for promising designers.” Gabriel responded with a small smile, before whispering to his son, “and we both know your mother would have killed me if I didn’t.” That got a chuckle out of both of them.
“I don’t have anything now, what with inspiration being a fickle mistress today, so why not.” Uriel stated with a slight frown.
Looking at the time, Adrien gave another gasp, “I best be going, mother, father, school starts in twenty minutes. Nice seeing you uncle, and thanks for the help later.”
“See you sweetie! Good luck!” Ariadne responded keeping her smile until her son had left. She then gained a glare and spun to face Uriel. “So, what are you actually doing here?” She asked, gritting out the syllables.
“Oh, it’s quite simple really, I have lost my inspiration, I don’t have a muse anymore. I figured I might as well look around the old stomping grounds of my previous one.” Uriel replied easily, giving a small smirk.
“I really don’t know what any of us saw in you,” Mrs. Agreste shot back. Then turning to her husband, she stated primly, “Gabriel, I’m off to the office. Apparently, a model came down with something and I need to find someone to fill in.”
“Yes dear, I’ll see you later today for the contest.” Gabriel said, knowing better than to try to make the spitfire see reason now.
“Lovely seeing you again Ari” Uriel smirked out.
The door slammed.
The door slammed, and a flustered, sweaty Marinette slunk to her seat.
“What was it this time girl? Prison break, angry clients, early lunch rush?” Alya asked, falling into their usual banter when Marinette’s bad luck decided to show itself.
“Both of the last two and a bit of street work. I had to leg it all the way around the school building and the avenue next to it to make it.” Marinette said, carefully disregarding the fact that she was helping keep up a falling building downtown before she had run into that road work.
“You know, the longer I stick around you the more superstitious I become. Maybe I should get a shamrock or something.”
“Don’t work, already tried them.” Marinette responded, before seeing Adrien with a smile on his face. “Maybe you could hang Adrien around your neck, it would be worth a shot considering his track record.”
Adrien looked over, rubbing his ring subconsciously before saying, “Oh, I don’t know if I’d fit! I-I could try, I mean If you wanted me to, I could see if I … never mind.”
“You notice that would be around Alya’s Neck, not mine right Goldie?” Marinette teased.
“I-I knew that! I was just trying to b-be a good friend!” Adrien replied a bit too fast and high to be normal.
Yet again (or maybe obviously), luck was on his side as Professor Damocles walked in at that moment.
“Alright students, as you know, today is the annual overnight design competition! You will have until this time tomorrow to produce an original design following the theme allotted. Before I announce the theme, I find it only fair to warn you about the judges, so you know whose standards to meet. This year the designs will be judged by non-other than Gabriel and Ariadne Agreste, parents of our very own Adrien Agreste and in a last-minute addition, His uncle, renowned painter, and sculptor Uriel Agreste has also agreed to judge. Not only will the winner receive a paid summer internship at Agreste fashion, but their design will also be worn by Adrien in their next tour.” The class clapped politely at this news, Adrien just smiling a little, rubbing the back of his neck.
“And now for the Theme,” there was a drum roll and a moment of silence, “Derby Hats. You can do any additions to the headwear you wish so long as the design is a derby hat, as defined in your classes last week.”
At this announcement the class scattered going off towards either the workspaces in the school or running off to plan with partners. Marinette dragged Alya to a secluded bench and ranted as her friend seated herself. “Derby Hats, Derby Hats, why did it have to be Derbies? I’ve got trilbies, sumbraroes, need a top hat? Presto” she said flipping to a rather traditional top hat with a ribbon that looked like a pair of rabbit ears, “I’ve got everything from ball caps to chupallas but no Derbies!” She cried tossing the book in the air in frustration. “This is just great, my shot at a paid internship at one of the foremost fashion companies in the world and my creative millinery does not extend to the one area it needs too!” “This is just my luck!” She cried, cringing as the sketchbook landed on her head.
“Uh, Girl, you’re using your ten cent words again, calm down.” Alya said, slightly worried, a Marinette using four syllable words was not one she wanted to deal with.
“Right, Right, Sorry.” Marinette said, calming herself before she started … Acing … people … wait.
“HeyAlyaI’vegottogoI’mgoingtomysecretgardenofinspirationseeyoulater!” she said, grabbing her sketchbook, and bolting towards the door, smashing into it and then getting through it the second time.
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Marinette sat in the shadow of the Arc’d Triomphe in the midst of a pile of crumpled up papers. She had been at this for just under an hour when she saw a man walk up to a bench.
“Huh, Hey Plagg, look at that guy, is there something off about him to you?” Marinette asked.
“Not really, Kind of looks like a bird though, just add some wings and a beak, He’s got the mannerisms down.” The Kwamii replied, batting one of the paper balls back and forth.
“That’s it! A bird themed hat!” and she started scribbling in her book before an idea hit her.
“Hey Plagg, do you think that I could get better results in the contest by getting rid of some of my Bad Luck?”
“It couldn’t hurt you, your stockpile’s full so any new stuff is impacting you right no. If you empty it a bit you would stop having its effects.”
So, Marinette put her hand up to the gem on her earing and called out about 60 BLU in the form of an adult-sized Ace, which started rubbing itself against her leg.
“I need you to go and ruin someone’s day, I don’t care whose.” She told the Ace, shooing it off after a couple more seconds and returning to her sketchbook, unaware of the chaos about to occur.
The spade-tailed cat crept over to the man who had settled himself on the bench. The Ace threw its tail up and latched onto his hat, giving its band a subtle green strip. The man, whose name was Xavier Ramier, pulled out a bird call and blew, a flock of pigeons appeared as if summoned by the little tune.
“Hello little friends, lovely day isn’t it.” He remarked with a pleased grin. He had just gone to start giving his friends some of the left-over bread he had in his bag when a shadow cast itself over him.
“How many times have I told you, Mr. Ramier, it’s against the rules to feed the pigeons. I have to ask you to leave now, or you will be forcefully removed.” The Park official remarked with a small smirk, seemed that he didn’t like pigeons much.
“What’s wrong with helping these fine avians?” Mr. Ramier remarked, a bit offended that he was being told not to help his friends.
“I’ll tell you what’s wrong with the little flying rats, they’re pests! If you feed the things they multiply and then create a huge mess for the park keepers, US, to pick up! Now leave and take your disgusting “friends” with you or I will forcefully eject you.”
Xavier picked up his bread bag and started to trudge away, only to trip and toss said bag onto the ground scattering the crumbs all over the park. Defeated the man quickly brought himself away from that mess.
Far away in an oft forgotten portion of a manor, a painter having trouble with his next piece feels a tingle run through him. Grasping the broach on his scarf the man then disappears in a puff of white insects, reappearing in an observatory far away.
“Oh, my poor man, inspired and ahead of your time. You must feel positively squelched by the common people of the city. Nothing a new muse can’t solve. Nooru, Dark Wings Rise!” With the command, a resigned looking purple Kwami once again found himself drawn into his erstwhile refuge. A cloud of white butterflies descends and where the Painter stood is now Hawkmoth. Catching and corrupting one of the spirits within reach the supervillain releases the insect.
“Go my little spirit and give this man the drive to reach his goals!”
Sitting on a bench Mr. Ramier doesn’t even notice the black butterfly landing on his bird whistle.
“Mr. Pidgeon, I have seen how your poor friends have been mistreated, and you with them. I can give you the power to see your dreams of an avian filled paradise realized. All you need to do is bring me the Black Cat and Ladybug Miraculous. What say you?” A dark voice asked.
“I say, Power to the Pigeons!” and a black goo covered him transforming Mr. Ramier into the, questionably villainous, Mr. Pidgeon. The akuma then blew his bird whistle calling a swarm of pigeons to carry him away.
Other Materials:
Mari was born 10/13/2000 i.e she was born ~ 17 years ago, on friday october 13th; her upcoming birthday will be a source of worry since her luck only gets worse when it falls like that (basically have fluff of her worried to do anything on fri. The thirteenth especially since this would be her first October (unluckyest month) friday the thirteenth meaning she would be extra nervous and just have adrien or alya or both try to get her to go out to hilarious consequences (probably rube goldberg that ends with an akuma coming out of the shadows.) Getting over this would result in probably a new Stockpile but also Morgan le Fay's approval garnering the Black Grimour as a side ability (plus gives mari time to prank Chloe using her new-found power)
Akumatized Mari that becomes extremely lucky but only when destroying things; ie she creates bad luck for others or actually gives her bad luck to other people, like she looks and acts normal but she gives people her curse, Prospective names: Lady Luck, Miss Fortune, Jinx, Miss Chance, Ill-Star
Mari and Adrien are reincarnations of the first holders of the Miraculous, (Eris and Tyche)
Hero Description:
Chatte Noire:
Main outfit: Black blouse, with High collar, minimal sleeves; Black hexi-leather skirt, with leggings of same material, Boots with a low-heel; Optional dark black cloak that can be accessed through powers, exudes bad luck which obscures the wearer (if good luck is fed to it it becomes visible and gains protective attributes [takes roughly 10 units of bad luck to summon; .5 units to sustain invisiblity per minute; Good Luck must be fed to overpower remaining bad luck, then can be stock piled to 25 units: power drain is based off damage protected)
Accesories: Hair falls wild and gets darker the more bad luck she exhudes (shows anger or when BL stores full); ribbons move from hair to chest and turn neon green, holding a silver bell (creates no sound unless wearer allows it); Scarf that wraps around the waist and gives impression of a bushy tail.
Black Cat Miraculous: silver stud earing that acts like the canon black cat's ring, connected emerald dangle which is removeable and shows stockpiled bad luck (as powers evolve additional emeralds will appear [max 5; this will be a conduit for all the misfortune in the universe and will be endgame material]), The emerald(s) will be black when drained, and a bright shining green when full (duller when not in suit), slowly fills absorbing the owner's excess bad luck, making it not impact wearer. Downside: Any Action the user's culture sees as "unlucky or jinxed" will make ALL bad luck they have stored impact them until the stockpiles can refill.
Base Weapon: Bladed Cestus, an overlap of roman Cestus and Tiger's Paws: Back of cestus contain a slot to place stockpile gem in. Tiger's paw portion are sharpened at wearer's mental command, they can sharpen a lot, but need BL to cut through things like steel: Tiger's paw portion fires out like a grappling hook to facilitate easy maneuvering. When cataclysm is activated Cestus cover the entire arm with flexible material at the joint rather than just the forearm they normally are, usually power coelesses over the claws which grow sharp enough to slice through a person after merging with mari's fingers.
Ladybug suit description:
Main Outfit: Red spandex with black spots: black belt with sword loop for base weapon and book strap for Book of Order (used to activate secondary weapons and Lady Cure) Black mask. black boots and gloves
Accessories: small cape to represent wings: optional armor that can be accesed in conjuction with secondary weapon (reverse of Chatte's black hole cloak)
Ladybug Miraculous: Silver ring with an onyx stone inset, stone turns red with five black spots when transformed: on palm side of the setting there are a verying number of small rubies: these are the stockpile gems. To use the ring's setting is placed in a receptical on the Base weapon (out of suit powers are used through will) while sword is stuck in ground. similar to the BCM the set rubies will turn to onyx when drained. When at full power (5 stockpile) the setting will pop off the ring to be inserted into base weapon.
Good luck stored in the stockpile is useable and CAN still impact one's life, however it turns into a choice rather than a constant
Doing something the user's culture sees as lucky or that could provide a wish will overload the stockpile and create feedback in the form of a migrain and muscle fatigue, as well as a bout of extreme good luck around you (but not to you) until it can be reabsorbed.
Base Weapon: Ivy Rapier, a cross between a rapier and a whip; made of sword segments connected by cord the same material that the canon ladybug's yoyo cord is created from this rapier is made to turn to a bladed whip with a flick of the wrist. Akuma purifacation happens by pumping good luck into the sword and whipping the akuma: instead of killing it, it slaps the darkness off of it. (Hawkmoth face scene will be less pretty)
Mari:
Description: Same Black Blazer, Darker shade of pink capres, Red-Violet shirt, stalks of the flowers from black to a yellow-green, change the pink flowers to a blue
Chatte Noire
- Chat Noir
Jane of Change (Jack of Change)
Nicknames:
Kitten, Minou, Minette, Chaton, Princess, Purrincess, Kitty Cat, Belle, blue
Adrien:
Description:
Typical hair style; still wears white overshirt, but wears a Red-orange shirt, with (in order) Blue-violet, Cyan, and Yellow green strip, blue jeans stay the same, Shoes and socks stay the same.
Ladybug
- Ladybeetle (almost never called that, despite it being his chosen name)
Lord Luck (originaly Lady Luck)
Nicknames:
Milord, Milady (when feeling funny), bugaboo, bug, LB,
Uriel Agreste - Twin brother of Gabriel Agreste
Discription: Longer Shaggier dirty blond hair typical green agreste eyes, Same height as Gabe; wears dark grey buttondown unbuttoned over (paint stained) white teeshirt, white jeans w/ green socks and Orange trainers: Purple scarf which the Moth/Butterfly Miraculous holds the knot of, (Nooru used to hang out behind the knot, but now just stays in the lair or inside the miraculous itself)
Hawkmoth
Papillion
Patron of the Arts
Guide of Spirits
- He was going to have been driven by his jealousy towards his brother, how he wanted to have married Ariadne. He wants to use his wish to change history and end up with Ari.
Timeline:
Origins (DONE)
Stormy Weather (Done)
Mr. Pigeon - Uriel comes to live with his brother
Timebreaker
- Adrien Learns to use Providence (summon Fortunae)
Copycat - Black Hole Cloak
Bubbler - Mari's B-Day - Mari learns B. Grim (outside combat, no combat yet)
Pharaoh - Secace activates
Darkblade - Mantle of Ark
- Halloween Chap.
- White Tome unlocks outside combat
Evillustrator
Rogercop - Belt of Hyppolyta
- LB & CN Gala occurs (Romeo and Juliet Minors are activated)
Lady Wifi - B. Grim Reaches full potential
Animan
Dark Cupid - Herculian Cestus are activated
Kung Food
Horrificator --> Marinette entertains the idea of going farther with Adrien (Doesn't accept date requests yet but does amp up flirting)
Gamer
The Mime - White Tome Unlocked in Full
Pixelator
Guitar Villain
Princess Fragrance - Chatte gets over fear of Secace
Reflekta
Puppeteer
Antibug (Chat Blanche)
Simon Says - Tyche (Weakened)
Volpina - Eris (Weakened) --> Reveal to each other
Hero Powers:
Chat Noire:
- Cataclysm: acts like canon but due to Mari's abnormally bad luck it fills both hands making it more devistating but also harder to hit the proper target. Gives additional combat potential while making the user much deadlier, killing only occurs based off of the user's mindset, but the victim will be jinxed if hit (horrid bad luck until Lady-Cure is used) --> Possibility of allowing (Graymalkin) to surface if she is full on Bad Luck (Plagg's magic is expended to create a surplus of bad luck for cataclysm, if she is already full it is certain that she will have this happen, the closer to full she is the more likely it is - Being in a secondary form negates this risk)
- Cloak of the Void (comes with memories of robin hood when he was Chat Noir (used a bow)) - Makes User exude bad luck rendering them basically invisible (Because the viewer’s brain recognizes the danger of acknowledging something that is leaking bad luck and creates a mental filter over the user); Turns Bladed Cestus into a bow (shoots BL as tangible arrows); Good Luck can be fed to it, turning the bow into a pair of daggers and granting protection rather than cloaking. (can be summoned outside suit for cloaking abilities but will not create bow) Cataclysm creates arrow rain with a stronger jinx effect.
- Cat's Tail [Felix --> Chat Noir - ]: Creates a baton the turns into a bo staff; can absorb akuma to be "purified"; treated like canon Chat's staff. allows for killing force with Cataclysm and negates the jinx effect that she normally has.
- Black Grimour: (comes with memories of morgan le fey [Black Mage with Black cat "Familiar"]) summons Book Holding BL Magic and when in suit a staff to focus and amplify it (modifies suit to robes) (Book itself has no cost to summon where as others do cost something.) Casts Random misfortune at enemy; high chance to miss and create chaos, but really powerful; can be summoned ouside suit (unlike most other abilites) so that user can jinx their rivals. Cataclysm will create a large scale mishap to occur creating a opportunity for a lucky charm to be used.
Important Spells:
- Black Storm (full stockpile - 200 units) Releases a wave of Bad luck (basically a second Cataclysm, but can be area of effect jinx instead)
- Black Hole (15 units) Creates a pit in a place that is disadvantagous for the opponent
- Jinx, Stronger misfortune without need for bad luck charm (one of the few offensive BL spells that work outside the suit)
- Teleportation - (half stockpile - 100 units) Teleports user to any place of their choosing within leylined area (works outside of suit but is conspicuous. created by using the chaotic nature of BL to break down physical space and make a small, sustained and safe wormhole to destination)
- Herculian Strength: (Memories of Hercules) Gives protection of the nemian lion and removes tiger's paw portion of The Bladed Cestus - creating the Herculian Cestus. Cataclysm will send the user into a blind rage that give extra strength but negates most forms of mercy (killing power is not availible in this state - difference from original holder's power); Ladybug can snap the user out of it;
- Secace: (memories of Lancelot): Magic sword that gives user power over the ties of loyalty, with it they can sever the bonds between an akuma's slaves and the akuma. Slashes with the weapon can only be healed by the lady cure; otherwise they will blister, become infected and feel like they are boiling; most sadistic power CN can use (not taken lightly by her after first use, even having a fear of it): Cataclysm releases a non-lethal, plague that will sweep through the enemy lines disabling them (strong enemies like akuma get jinxed instead for balance).
- Misfortune: not a weapon mod, but is a ability of the Chosen Black Cat/ Jack of Change (Mari's official title) Shifts a chosen amount of the User's Stocked BL into target; can either feed into other miraculous' weapons or be used to give a curse of bad luck to someone temperarily (not as powerful as Cataclysm) in the form of a bad luck charm (item on their person)
- The Bell: while not necessarily an ability the user can ring their bell to summon Plagg for advice: only way of comunicating with the Kwami while transformed
- Book of Chaos: Bestowed with the Black Cat Miraculous: details the lives of previous Chat Noirs and when certain power levels (Stock pile gems) or through extremely bad runs of bad luck (birthday chapter will give Mari the Black Grimeour) are reached allows for new Weapon Mods (can talk with predicessors and will gain powers when they deem her ready) [Black cat users are nice to each other but semi hostile to others]
10: Eris - ultimate form so to speak -> weapon is a basket of apples of discord, by thinking of an event and tossing the apple at someone/thing she can change the world around her to suit her needs/wants - brings out her more mischivious personality and trickster qualities
Minor powers/transformations:
Romeo: creates formal wear with identity obfuscation and the ability to summon base weapon if needed. (looks like a pair of black armlength evening gloves until summoned)
Hero Powers:
Ladybug (m)
- Lucky Charm: basically canon but instead of throwing a sword in the air, Adrien slashes the air creating a rift for the item to come from
- Lucky Cure: Same as canon but Adrien stabs his sword into the ground creating a fissure, the lucky charm is dropped in and the lady bugs fly out
- Mantle of Arc: (Memories of Joan of Arc) Suit of armor which absorbs damage at the cost of GL; Rapier is replaced with a standard short sword and a Kite shield. Can be fed BL to give invisibility and change the sword and shield into a crossbow that fires bolts made of bad luck (can be charged up to 50 BL (bad luck units are smaller than good luck due to many bad luck powers being over time abilities)
- Belt of Hippolyta: (Memories from Amazon Queens) Works much the same as the Herculaen cestus, provides two war axes and a increased strength much like it's BL Counterpart however without the nasty side effect of bloodlust, and the good one of less damage taken.
- Lady's wings: [original Ladybug] Yo-Yo with indestructible cord, can also purify akuma, treated like Ladybug's canon yo-yo
- White Tome: (Comes with Merlin's Memories) Summons book Holding GL Magic and can summon a staff when in the suit. Similar to the Black Grimeour the White tome creates random good luck but for your allies, this being mainly a support skill, it also has two offensive skills.
- Force - literally a telekinetic skill, used to move people and things, .5 units of GL per second of use per 20 N of force
- Retribution: expends an amount of GL of the user's choosing to deal damage to the opponent power is exponential to GL used (caped by # of Stockpiles)
- Healing magic is also a standpoint of Good Luck "magic"
- Luck magic is luck that has already started impacting the "caster" but is then shaped into a different form and reflected outward
- Providence - Counterpart of Misfortune: again, not a secondary weapon but creates an aura of good luck centered around an item, disapates over time.
- Mental link - rather than having to summon his Kwami Adrien can speak with tikki in his mind
- Book of Order: Direct link with his predecessors, can ask for advice and when they deem him worthy give him the ability to call apon their boons.
- Reaper of fate/ Tyche: (Memories from the three "fates" [some of the only known lawful/evil ladybugs]) Creates a Scythe and Cloak, Gives power over time at high GL Cost, ability to rend space for short period of time (due to high GL Cost) Ability to see and manipulate the strings of fate (minimally) Other downside is that he takes on their mentality (aloof air, doesn't care about life or a person's hopes just cold hard judgemental power but Chatte can use misfortune to force him out of the mindset)
Minor Powers:
Juliet: Formal wear with the ability to summon base weapon. (looks like cerimonial scabbard until drawn.)
Origins of the Kwami-
Beginning there was only one being with many names: God, Null, Yahweh, Chaos, etc. Who was that which ruled over balance, it controlled the fates of every being and formed the universe from the destruction and chaos of the pre-beginning. Eventually there came a time where this being wished to be free of its status as overseer and conversed with a collection of daemons, those who it created with powers greater than humans but a great deal lesser than its own. It struck a deal as beings of its power are wanting to do. It agreed to separate itself into numerous pieces, with which these daemons could keep the balance. There was but one stipulation: should the two pieces which controlled Chaos and Order be recombined for any reason he would reconstitute until such a time as those pieces separated again, lest the universal equilibrium be upset. To keep this event from happening he entrusted the two gems housing these two pieces named Tikki and Plagg, to two special daemons of opposite nature, One named Tyche, who maintained order and aided the lives of those lesser than her, and another named Eris who sewed discord and chaos in the lives of those around her. These two and the many others who were bestowed with these pieces, who in earliest writings were called by the romans, Saxa Mirabile, literally “miraculous stones” became legend. Be it folk tale like Robin Hood, History like Joan of Arc, or Myth, like many of the first holders, such as Loki (who gained Plagg’s stone after Eris wished to fade away), Thor (who held the dragon whilst it was separated in three due to a dispute between the three original daemons who wished to control the weather, with Zeus [yes that one] gaining the Lightning dragon, Poseidon gaining the water dragon, and Hades contrary to popular belief gaining the Fire dragon), or Odin who for a time held the rabbit which controlled forethought for a time. Those who held these stones were destined for greatness, perhaps in the positive sense or the negative sense, but still greatness.